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well it depends... in your case the cock carried two bar genes. so all he could pass on was bar. if you mated the barred cock to a check hen. (check/check) then the check that the hen passes on would be dominate of the bar of the cock. a barless/barless mated to bar/bar will produce all bar/barless. no matter which of the parents are barred or barless. you will knotice i have not once mentioned colour here. colour has nothing to do with pattern.

the mirror ball on jedds.com seems to have been working for me. i had it up during the flying season this year and only lost one bird to a hawk. it was a month ago and it looked like a younger hawk... so i locked my birds up until migration season is over and took the mirror ball down. i will put it back up probally about a week or so before i start flying again.

not sure how falcons compair to hawks... actually didnt think we had falcons in usa. anyhow you can use a few different items to help keep hawks away. a mirror ball, fake owl or even the owl ball. also might keep your birds in during migrating season. ps parlor rollers... i dont think they fly at all... they just roll around on the ground. i think they are useless... but then again others love them!

http://www.pigeonbasics.com/forum/blah/b-rac/ this is a thread we have been discussing different genes: colours, patterns and modifiers.

completely wrong colour and pattern are on two different gene points. one has nothing to do with the other. first colour. there are three: Red, Blue, and Brown. dominate to recessive repectively. a cock carries two genes for colour while the hen only carries one. then pattern: these are T-pattern, Dark check, light check, barred, barless. dominate to recessive repectively. Both hens and cocks carry two genes for pattern. best way to understand colour is with three pairs. Blue Cock (blue/blue) mated to a Red hen (Red/* - <*> represents a hen). These will produce only two types of babies. cocks will all be red (red/blue) they get the blue form the cock and the red from the hen. all hens will be blue since they get the colour gene from the cock. then hen passes the hen gene to hen babies. Red Cock (Red/Red) mated to a Blue hen (Blue/*). All babies in this case will be red. cocks will be (Red/Blue) while the hens will be (Red/*) Red Cock (Red/Blue) Mated to a Blue hen (blue/*). cocks will be whatever colour the cock passes on. since if he passes the red it will dominate the blue. and if he passes the blue then it will simply pair up with the blue from the hen. hens will be whatever colour the cock passes on since the hen will pass on no colour gene but instead the hen gene. ----- if you breed a check bird that happens to be (check/check) then all babies will be check. but a lot of checks end up being (check/bar) so when bred with a barred bird (bar/bar) then you end up with 50-50 check or bar. barred bird breed to another barred bird will produce all barred babies. (assuming you dont have barless in your loft)

the program i use backs it up everytime you exit. either on the pc or on a disk/jumpdrive

with hen being blue check-look at hens parents if possible. if one is barred and one is check then we know that she carries check/bar cock will always pass on bar. he may be red/red which means he will always pass on a red. if he is red/blue then 50-50 chance. since hen is blue then the deciding colour is passed from the cock. if he passes on blue then it will pair up with the blue from the hen and you will have a blue babie. if he passes on red then it will pair up with the blue and the red is dominate so it show.

be a bit more exact on your question... i could write a whole page atleast on each one of those. but here is a brief explanation of each true silvers- are dilute blues "silvers"- a name sometimes used to discribe a red bar bird with a silvery neck yellow- dilute reds grizzles are grizzle or t-grizzle whites- either reccessive white or homozygous (double) grizzle and red blacks-spread blues pieds-unknown at this time

that is a hard one. Mealy Cock is what i call a red bar. cocks carry two genes for colour. He can either be red/red or red/blue Black hen is just a blue coloured bird with the spread gene. therefore we can not say for sure what pattern is under the black... if you know the parents of the black bird and other siblings we can make an educated guess on what pattern is hidden under the spread. if cock is red/red then all babies will be red. if cock is red/blue then half of the birds wiill be red and half will be blue.

well i didnt know anything about pied... and after doing some research... i still dont know anything. :*) it appears that pied is not totally figured out yet... maybe someone else knows more about it. what colour is the pied hen?

geez. couldnt even listen to the whole thing!

yes recessive red is a colour modifier. recessive red could be any of the three base colours (red, blue, brown) with any of the patterns. Brown is just a colour it has nothing to do with the pattern: T-pattern, which is a really dark check.

you already had one... beautyhomer knows more than i do.

there are barred birds... red bars, blue bars and brown bars (brown is rare)

what colour are the cocks eyes? really dark would be my guess. if this is the case then it would be reccessive white. reccessive white can hide many things.

you all call red bars-mealys and red checks-reds?

ok so the hen is: check/barless and the cock: Bar/barless by the way the hen only has one colour gene but two pattern genes percentage wise 50% check (check//bar or check//barless) 25% barred (bar//barless) 25% barless (barless//barless) if you draw a 2X2 square and but the cocks bar and barless above each sqaure and then but the each of the hens genes two next two each row. then you will see how i came up with those percentages. there are only four possibilites for these two birds to pass on thier pattern genes... the hen will pass either check or barless while the cock passes on either barred or barless.

you did not mention what pattern the blue cock was. if it is a true barless baby then both parents are carrying a reccessive barless but showing check. this gives you a 25% chance of having barless babies. red barless are cocks. blue barless hens if the cock is barless himself then that ups the percent to 50. --------------------------------------- red barless looks very similiar to red spread. if it is spread then the cock bird is not the sire of the young.

you are talking about lemons? they are a extreeme dilute blue bird. a receant mutation found in (africa i think)... it is called Ecru often. i believe everyone else on here is talking about dilute reds... they are a beautiful cream colour. this website talks about both http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyloft/yellow.html by the way the same dilute gene on a blue bird produces a silver. (umm not sure what you all call it. but it is an actually silvery coloured bird, not a red bird with a slivery throat)

walt disney owned homing pigeons correction to the wwII. in the begginning it was 98% until the use of hawks(i forget which type) War of the Birds... recently came out on discovery channel... talked about pigeons and wars... it was very interesting

haha takes time. but once you get the basic idea and look at your own birds, it becomes more clear. then you go back and read some more... when i was younger my dad, who also raised pigeons, told me that checks produced bars and bars produced checks. it was a sad day when i had to go back and tell him the truth! :*)

a black cock paired with a red hen: this is more complicated than you can believe. from the outset i can tell you that the cock would be homozygous blue. meaning he carries two blue genes. the hen is hemizygous red, meaning she carries one hen gene and one red gene. again all cocks will have a red colour and all hens produced will be blue. but then we have to think about the spread gene that is turning the blue cock into a black. if he only carries one spread gene (heterozygous spread /w wildtype) then he will have a fifty percent chance of passing on his spread gene to both hen and cock babies. spread red is a pearly colour with (usually) a bit of the bar showing through) then we can consider the pattern part. parterns are completely seperate from colour. because the cock is a spread blue, his pattern is hidden. you could get an idea of what his pattern is by looking at his parents and siblings. patterns range from dark check (called velvet or t-pattern) to light check to bar to barless. again dominate to recessive repectively. two barred birds paired together could never produce a check but could produce a barless. two light checks together can produce light checks, barred or barless but never t-pattern. these have all been tested and most times a baby is produced that does not match the parenting is due to another cock treading the hen.

whites are either recessive white or a combination of grizzle/red ash (what you call mealy) blacks are spread blues... he did not use these two examples because they are not related to the base colours of redash, blue, brown. dominate to recessive respectively. it is important to know that redash is more dominate than blue... and a cock carries two colour genes while a hen only carries one. a really good example of this is a red ash cock who is hethro for wild type blue. when this cock is mated to a red hen then all cock babies will be red due to the fact that the hen passes on her red gene to all cocks... now the hen babies will recieve the hen gene from the dame and a colour gene from the cock. as i said he was hetero for blue, so hens have the possibility of getting a red or blue gene from the cock. therefore 100% red cocks (half will be homo red and half will be hetro red with reccessive blue) same cock mated to a blue hen will produce 50-50 of both cock and hen babies. this is because the hen passes on her blue to all the cock babies but the colour depends on wither the cock passes on his red gene or his blue gene. hens are 50-50 for the same reason cept the hen passes on her hen gene. colour is very interesting and i can answer most questions... feel free to post it here and i will answer.

might do the bull system with that cock... but i wouldnt split the pair up. dont fix it if it aint broke!

is it nessessary to have a full spectrum bulb? i know that the hours of daylight affect the hormones... but does it have to be a certian type of light bulb?