swilcox

Popular man!!!!!!!!!!!

Myself and Raymond would like to say a big thank you to everyone who took the time to came and say hello and see the birds!!! Seen alot of people from pigeonbasics and think i done a few of em proud!! Most people seem to like the quality pigeons we had on display and again thank you giving us a little of your your valuable time. Stuart Wilcox & Raymond Moleveld.

Be Warned, the following 100% Kees Bosua (both parents bred by Bosua) will be up for sell due to Henk Hoastra moving house, full details to follow but if you want to get in quick give me a ring on 07715 166066. prices start at £200 each, £400 each and for Golden Man POA.

Maybe we like similair pigeons steve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We own 43 1st Combine/Adefling/NPO and Nationals winners including 1st National St Vincent 37,000b, 1st NPO Brive 7500b and 1st Adefling 11 St Quentin 11,300birds which was raced by my partner Raymond Moleveld and we report there performance with accuracy, i dont think its too much to ask other to do the same!!!! This year we purchased a hen that was 1st NPO 45,000birds, it would be easy to call her a national winner but i wont because it was a NPO(sector) winner!!!! Stuart

Sold, to one of the best fanciers in the NW

I suppose so, as i have said before always ask around before you jump in.

Its right what you say Expat! However they do class Bergerac and St Vincent as Nationals, my partner Raymond Moleveld won 1st Nat St Vincent 37,236 birds, he beat every pigeon in the race!!! Other Nationals are raced with the ZLU and incorperates the Internationals. Stuart

It will be good to see ya Alf..

The pigeon i placed on the website the Lightenberg Doffer is 100% Jan Aarden and his pedigree contains direct Aardens which were obtained by Anton from his close neighbour Jan Arden!!!!!! Stuart

Expat1, not correct regarding Holland. My post was not designed to put down foriegn birds!! It was pointing out that some fanciers are advertising foreign results to make them sound better than they are!!!! Unfortunitley for these guys the internet has opened up the trail of information and people are much better educated now. Stuart

See what i mean Albear, not a white flight or Kuif in sight, these are strong pigeons that you have shown.

Rose a combine races every week and as the distance increases they hold races that have more meaning ie NPO races, the problem is people like to combine races NPOs when there not and Nationals when they are NPO Afd races, confused myself now

What more details can i send you coxy??

In this weeks BHW i have read the following 1st Noord Holland National? 1st National AFD10, and on a another advert i have read 1st Grand National Dutch NPO. I cant see where these titles come from? In Holland Feds are called Rayons and they normally fly in Afdelings which we would call combines. 3 middle distance races a year are NPO races and one NPO race for old and young at middle distance is called a National. This year it was Blois and i believe Etampes and in both races the 1st Nat would be against 60-70,000 birds. The section winners would be 1st Afdeling winners. There are also National races from Dax, Bergerac and St Vincent. On top of this the ZLU organise Nationals from Pau, Dax, Barcelona etc which are flown with Internationals. So a pigeon at middle distance can be; 1st Rayon 1st Rayon + 1st Afdeling 1st Rayon + 1st Afdeling + 1st NPO (if its an NPO race) or 1st Rayon + 1st Afdeling +1st NPO + 1st Nat The terms 1st Nat Afd 8 or 1st Nat NPO or 1st Grand National or 1st National Noord Holland in my eyes are not possible and remember there are lots of Afdeling races that are not NPOs!!!!!! and are certainly not Nationals. Stuart

Started out offering DNA and still do but now very few people want to pay for it!!!!

Origin is important if yor going to build your own family esp at longer distance but like anything its there to give you guidance on the type of performances/distance that the pigeon is suited and bred for. Its a small corner of a big picture. Take it nobody got what i was banging about before!!!!!!!!! Stuart

If you look at any fancier in my opinion there are indicators to whether he/she is telling the truth regarding pedigrees. For example an average loft may contain 12 pairs of stock and 40 old bird pairs lets say. In 2 rounds they breed 70 young birds from various combinations. This loft wins in 1 season 1st Nat, 3 x 1st Combine, 10 x 1st Club and 25 other prizes in the top 30 of the combine. For breeding he owns 7 pairs of Van Reets, 3 pairs of Busschearts and 2 pairs of Janssen pigeons that are new to the loft. His main stock bird is called Billy Boy, he also has a 1/2 brother and sister to to Billy Boy and all 3 are Van Reets, He also has a Good Busscheart pair called the Diamond Pair. Now a loft report follows this super season spot the truthful one and the false one. Report 1 Mr A has had a brilliant season, his National Winner De 50 was bred from a yearling son of his Main Breeder Billy Boy when paired to a Busscheart that was lent him by Mr Jones a close friend. 2 of the combine winners were also related to Billy Boy and are bred down from 1/2 brother and sisters one crossed with a busscheart from the Diamond Pair and the other from a new line of Janssens!! The Diamond Pair have served Mr A well esp from the harder races and the Janssens which purchased from Radstock Stud are showing some real promise. Report 2 Mr A must have one of the most complete Satf Van Reet teams of all time and all bred from Champion Billy Boy, this years Nat winner was bred from Billy Boy when paired to His 1/2 sister and they also bred 2 other combine winners. a 3rd combine winner was bred from a 1/2 brother to Billy Boy when paired to a dtr of the National winner which is bred from Billy Boy and his 1/2 sister!! The staf van reets are sometimes crossed with pigeons from the Diamond pair to get them to fly longer distances but no other families are kept. Which one would you trust???? Pigeon breeder is like a Christmas Tree, you bring in your foundation breeders and the geans spread out as you go down and on the may you add a little, in reality champions are bred from all sorts of pairing and not just the perfect ones you read about in the press!!!! Study the pedigrees of some of our national winners on www.raymondmoleveld.nl and you will see its not uncommon for champion to skip a generation of 2 and then come back out!!! Stuart

Open to offers, sensible please.

Open to offers, sensible please.

Open to offers, sensible please.

Open to offers, sensible please.

This is what Jan Aarden pigeons looked like before they left steenbergen, strong pigeons that are medium in the hand, a little fronty, appled with bold heads and a strong eye. Its the inbreeding by some that has caused some lines to lose all of its power and body but gain beautifal eyes and colour. As its been said, some are merely designer pigeons!!

Compuclub thats right.

Chris I will find out for you, the fondclub is very good!!!! Stuart Bert Braspenning has 1000's of birds to this country how many are winning????? Very few on the whole!!!!!