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Raymonds averaged £280 a bird with the highest being £650. To me it was a cracking little sale with everyone having a chance. Highest price in the savoy was £3300 for the son of Wing Down, £2900 for dtr of Drum, £2800 for dtr of Athena Rik Hermans. Crazy money really however i will add that each bid was 100%, no hidden reserves or buy backs in my auction!!

The hen bred Champion Biacton!! he won 1st Sect L, 3rd Open NFC Tarbes in 2012 flying 761 miles for Richard Grayson. Stu

In Jan 2010 i sold the follwoing pigeon to a pigeonbasics member, i remember it well as the lad called me on the phone as he could not work the PM,s. anyway thats all i do remember and i would like to track him down as a young cock from this hen has gone on to be an absolute Long Distance Champion!!! Lot 8 H03 1786699 Dark hen Sire Klien Harry 1st National Bordeaux 7786b, 185th National Mont De Marsan, his sire was 3rd Nat Soustans and 193rd Nat Dax, 100%Van De Wegen. Dam Champion Paulien 1st Nat Bordeaux 5314b, 14th Nat Bordeaux 7698b, from the line of Overwater, Peter Van Den Eijden, and Genaaide of Win Muller. *Just goes to show its all bad in the selling game. Stuart Wilcox

Was this with the Zwols Gareth??

yes Denton looked really good!!

Scotland really did play poor maybe the billing as favourites worked against them!!! A team probaly at there peak in terms of maturity and experience so thay must be gutted. England lacked any real thrust!! Need a better ball carrying 8 and missed Flood at Fly Half!! Defence was awesome!! But can only see more tuff matches for them esp in Italy!!! Stu Wilcox

Gareth, your father left a big impression on everyone he met!! You will do him proud one day soon with a new Westbound Topper, of that im sure. Kindest Regards Stu

I would like to offer the following pigeon for sale with 100% of the funds going to Pigeonbasics to help with site running costs. Auction runs from now until 8.30pm Sunday the 6th. Please either post bids on this thread or PM IAN McKAY GB2011 003 “Franny†Blue Cock 100% Frans Zwols Sire H08 799 a full brother to the King of Rekkem 1st NPO Rekkem 19,409b, 2nd Boxtel 11,887b, 7th Duffel 8866b etc Queen of Rekkem 3rd NPO Rekkem 19,409b, 6th Arras 11,192b etc. G-sire Champion 575 sire of 1st Rekkem 19,409b, 1st Heteren 10,944b 1st Gennup 3048b, 1st Zupthen 2204b, 1st Pommeroeul 1757b etc he is from the Inteelt Smeulders and Kld Rocky. G-dam Inteelt Dutch Prince, Dutch Prince have bred 40 x 1st etc. Dam H08 533 ½ sister to 2nd NPO Rekkem 19,409b from Broer 3 Musketiers who brother sisters have won 40 x 1st and 1st Maasiek 6926b, 2nd Beek 14940b, 2nd Chimay 8042b, 2nd Boxtel 12,595b, 2nd Hannut 12,455b, 2nd Maasiek 6926b, 2nd Boxtel 4571b, 3rd St Quentin 5071b etc from Dutch Prince and De Diament. G-dam De 751 a dtr of Mickey Boy and Dutch Princess. The Frans Zwols have been the most successful pigeons i have ever raced, they have won me 40 x 1st 5 x 1st Combine, 3 x 1st Champion bird WOESRC, 4 x 1st Champion YB Loft in 5 seasons, 1st National Section G, 1st Bristol Fed etc all since 2007. Kind Regards Stuart Wilcox

Both George and Gareth are such genuine and freindly fanciers and good friends to so many!! George was an infectous charactor. Its a big loss to Scotland and Scottish fanciers but im sure Gareth will continue to fly the flag with pride. My thoughts are with you Gareth, your family and ofcourse your mother!! You had a dad to be proud of!!! Stuart

4 pairs left,

just 3

I have a few top class summer bred Jan Ardens left directly bred from his super Ligtenberg family which is responsible for 8 x 1st National over 550 miles plus 1st Welsh National and many good combine and national pigeons in the UK including England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. These are medium in size with some amazing eyes, mainly pieds and cheqs with a couple of smart blues. These are for sale at only £200 per matched pair or £100 for single birds, this is a one off offer as i need to clear the holding pens ready for the coming auctions, the same pigeons have averages £350-450 plus at Blackpool for the past few years. Dont miss out on these golden eyed night flyers.

I have a few top class summer bred Jan Ardens left directly bred from his super Ligtenberg family which is responsible for 8 x 1st National over 550 miles plus 1st Welsh National and many good combine and national pigeons in the UK including England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. These are medium in size with some amazing eyes, mainly pieds and cheqs with a couple of smart blues. These are for sale at only £200 per matched pair or £100 for single birds, this is a one off offer as i need to clear the holding pens ready for the coming auctions, the same pigeons have averages £350-450 plus at Blackpool for the past few years. Dont miss out on these golden eyed night flyers.

I went to Holland and collected and selected these ybs especailly, many have dropped two flights or so, there is some beauties!!!! Thanks for the comments lads. Stuart

I have for sale at £125 each a lovely selection of Direct 2011 Raymond Moleveld Jan Aardens bred from the foundation stock below, Raymond family are responsible for 9 x 1st National the last being 2 weeks ago for Steenbeek from 10,000 plus pigeons at 600 miles approx. Also in the UK they have been responsible for winners right up to 1st National fro the great welsh flyer Derek Flowers. I have a lovely round some real crackers there so either let me pick you one or a pair or come and pick your own!!!! For the last 3 years at Blackpool they have averaged £300 plus each.

below is the happiest man in the west country, brian milkins who was 1st sect g 1st open nfc cholet on saturday, flanked by clubmate mike hathway and club sec terry (the wizard) humphries. brian is proudly holding the cake made for him by our land lady nicky templer. we are all very proud of you ronny barker stu wilcox

Cheers lads, the pigeons have been doing me proud the last 4 weeks, very pleased after a difficult season last year!!! On with the next one i suppose!!

Hi Guys I need Whittys address!! Stuart

1st 2nd 3rd Club 338b in first race, dont know the combine result yet but there was 6000plus birds away

Hi Everyone Well what a good discussion, what has really suprised me is the number of fanciers this has effecteted, i have had so many pm,s regarding it, sorry if i dont get time to get back to everyone!! Similiar it seems in most lofts, pigeons fine, happens 3/4 weeks after starting to loft exercise after a winter lay off and only in 2/3/4 or so cocks. I think Mikes input is very interesting as many people do change a pigeons diet around this time from high protien to a more racy mix. Just some update on my own birds, this morning i let the older cocks and yearling out seperately and they exercised very well, the pigeon from yesterday is fine so i think that was a bit of a red herring, the first and third cock exercised fine and the 2nd well he still stays in his box!! It was noticable that exercising 1/2 the number of birds at a time had a real effect on how they exercised. I did give each of the 3 birds that have shown signs a calcium tablet so we will see how that works out.

Hi Guys, firstly i would like to thank everyone who has taken the time to reply, one thing that has come to light is that this problem is very common and that its on the increase. I have spoken to the vet that screened my pigeons and he said that the birds have no medical reason for these symtoms and suggests they are muscle strains!! Whats more 2 of the pigeons that went missing over the weekend have both returned today injured (with wounds) so that explains where they got to!! Now as i have explained i only have this problem with my cocks so tonight i let the cocks out in two smaller batches and they exercised completely different and for 35 mins each and clapped off loads, they did scarper a few times but didnt bag wings with each other! I looked at the cock from this morning and now seems alot better so i believe he banged his wing!! I talked at length with Frans Zwols who told me this is on the increase in Holland and he said that due to such an increase in hawks in the Netherlands most fanciers dont let out in the winter, they believe this is the answer but such stressfull flying when they do get let out also doesnt help. I take crebag comment with merit that this is widespread and more common than we appreciate and that no one really has the answer. I will look at prepairing the birds in future with calcium/potassium/amino acids to see if that makes any differnce. Stu

IB yes it is!! As i have said they have tested negative for Parathyphus and Salmonelia and recieved a treatment of Amoxiclian to clear what Streptoccocus may be present. Stuart

It does seem like a muscle problem and the birds slightly hold the wing up when resting!! The pigeons were injected for paramyxo back in December so it can be that!!

Hi Guys Thanks for the reply, its true that the birds do get locked up from August through to Feb as there is just such a high risk of Peregrine and Sparrowhawk attacks!! a fair few have emailed to say that have the same problems!! Stu

Complexed Problem with flying I have a problem with a small percentage of my cocks and would appreciate any thoughts. At the end of Feb when I took the young and hens away I started to exercise my cocks, I have a lot of hawk problems both Sparrow Hawk and Peregrine and during exercise my cocks fly around 20-25 mins very close to the loft and then when they land every 3 minutes then hammer off the loft in a condition of panic, even if it’s just a wood pigeon flying over head. After about 5 days of flying out a 2 year old developed a problem flying, he is in a top box and managed to get up there but flew lopsided!! I then had my birds tested and the vet came back with a slight worm count and after a week a swab showed some e-coli developing along with streptococcus so I treated all my race cocks, hens and partners with amoxicillin for 10 days! The birds tested negative to paratyphus/salmonella. On the 9th day of treatment a yearling cock again could not fly up to his box, he had exercised in the morning normally yet come tea time could not fly and then the next day again another yearling in a different loft again went lopsided and struggled to fly. Now on each occasion the condition of the pigeons is absolutely fine and the dropping are good, they coo and chase about but cannot fly!! The first cock has now recovered and started to fly again. It’s interesting that I fly a small team of hens and I have never had a problem with them, maybe because there are fewer of them.!! This morning I let my cocks out as normall and they all took to the sky ok, they flew for 20-25 mins but very close to the loft, just above the houses and very close to the trees, they landed and they flew off every 3 minutes at high speed for about 20 more minutes!! When I got them in again I saw a yearling struggle to fly. I have 60 widows and thats now 4 affected over a 2 month period, is it a health problem or are the birds pulling their muscle and damaging their wings?? In the last week I have been training 75 pigeons from 10, 15, 20, 25 miles and on each occasion I had them all home except for one pigeon!! Are they developing problems flying during the flight? May I add that these pigeons reared a near perfect round of ybs and from 100 young not one bird has gone down. Kind Regards Stuart Wilcox