ok mark, thanks for that, if it does efect the moult i will just leave them of the road for 12 months as they are to good to kill, plus i dont keep to many as it is
takes a brave man to fly down the west these days, loses have been very bad down this neck of the woods the last 3 or 4 seasons, they just dont want to come through the last 30 miles into cumbria, bop country
all birds are different mate but they should be through the body moult by end of october with the primarys its more than likely end of november into december but could take longer if young have been on darkness.