silverwings, bruno, mike, silverdale lofts, jim, & everyone, thanks very much for your help, all was a lesson & learn to me, as ray said, this is our first year, & if it was not for all of you seriously, i wouldnt have started up with these gracious birds, & the advice on this forum, has been a god send,
and at least now i have my first wee box of various medication for pigeons incase they get ill.