aye your right frank, i know its a great feeling to have the first doo in the club no matter how much is sent, thats fit hooks the young lads about the sport/hobby but i think its more, its about the lads wanting to keep doos, its a great hobby and you just dont see it happening these days, how many times have we had birds that were extra and we said to ourselves, if their was a lad he could have these, they are just not there, not interested, ime lucky my oldest has been into them since he was ten and comes with me on the transporter and liberates so i am lucky but i just think its all to money money money, no hobby these days. davy.