wether i fly pigeons or not dont make any differance,,,,,,all i am saying is that theres enough tips to help against predators on this site and thats all i was saying,,,,,,nothing less or nothing more apart from fanciers are there own worse enemy,,,,,,,,,,if all fanciers stick together and and tried the tips and ideas on this site or said private in pms,,,,,,then it would slowly make a differance ! you know as well as me,,,,,pigeon fanciers will never stick together !!!!!