les

you said it ,and that is what does happen when your pigeons do get eaten alive ,and the more you let the hawks increase in numbers by not taking action ,the more they are going to eat your pigeons ,so the ones that think they are doing the right thing by killing them needlessly ,you are just proloning the agony of your other pigeons FACT.

i cant belive some ,they are going to die either by hawk attack or some one SCREWING their necks for no other reason other than they think they arnt worth giving time to ,my way they get to live as long as they can survive ,they get feed every day ,but if a hawk does take one it will never kill again ,all my other birds benefit from their death ,would they benefit if the birds just got killed for sod all [i think not ]then again i live a realist life in the country ,

ok we just let all the hawks kill our pigeons ,and then kill all the pigeons that dont make the mark .that means the pigeons are just waisted , im not sick i do what works ,killing pigeons for no reason is sick in my eyes.

what i concider not up to the mark come the end of season ,i let fly out during the winter to help combat the hawk problems ,dont waist birds that can be of great use ,think about it .

you missed out the T doug ;D

good question ,mine would come down to both ,ie performance ,and what descendants it is leaving behind ,but saying that ,a lot of pigeons dont leave behind birds of the same quality as them selves ,mainly down to the fancier and his knowledg of stockmanship .

with out doubt ,a pity he was robbed of a nother win .

you will be competing with THE EUROPA soon.

as long as doug dont get any of it ,he wiil buy an even more expencive round of drinks and waist it ;D

geting better every year tom .

then why a three way test .ie .a normal clock is tested on three sides . ETS is not .a variiation of 48 hour diference

i hope i dont offend any one, but like every thing in life ,i gets a pain ,but all i can say is if ANY BODY TOOK ANY NOTICE OF WHAT I ORIGANILY WROTE then they will point you in the right direction .

i will give you one to copy ,then you can give sid a lesson on how to make them ,he can suplement his pension selling them ;D ;D ;D

sorry but if they dont kill they dont go home at a certain time .

it only cost 15 pence ,but you cant get every one to use it .and it is LEGAL at the moment ,please dont ask ,im p***d of telling what it is ,plus i have made and sent [free of charge ] to others but it looks like they end up in the bin or the draw for a nother day .

just like to inform you that i know of a few fanciers down your way that decided to do some thing about the situation [unlike some ] so perhaps you are benefiting from their efforts ,[ please dont say where you live ] just incase : ;)ATB

i think that TROYII is a top bloke ; he fecking hates BOP. ;D

looks like that theory is out with the rest .

the truth is NEVER ,when 1 species goes quiet another takes over ,all depends how many species you have in your area .

you might be on to some thing new . but it wont deter the peregrin .

i felt sorry for him when he told me ,only got your selves to blame ,when it comes down to it .

that is what i have already stated ,and the ivermecten was mainly band because it was also in our food chane . .ATB les

i have to stick by what is proven and i bet you any money that where the owl is in bristol it still has its fare share of sparrow hawks ,its all stories and tales like you say .i just wish it was true it would save me a lot of time and effort and money ,and would be the answer to all our problems when it comes to BOP ,but sadly it is not, the ivemetamin [you would have to put that much on a pigeon to do any good , that it would kill the pigeon] ,or the same hawk would have to eat a lot of pigeons with it on to kill it .if you dont belive ,then go and see a vet that knows what he is talking about ,all these things that we hope will sort the hawk problem are always fought by the RSPB [JUST IN CASE IT MIGHT HAVE SOME EFFECT ON THE BOP ]not because it will just like a lot of other products are band for the same reason.ATB les.

of course i am ,what made you think otherwise

look out here goes my other hobby rabbiting . ;D and it will be down to hawks and raptors yet again . ;D