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if you all keep asking other pigeon folk have they seen the antitreading device to stop unwanted matings with your pigeons ,and do they know how to make them ,you will eventualy come across some one that has or does ,make them your self they are very good at protecting your pigeons as well , ,just remember to show others that is all i ask .

they dont care about any other birds only the hawks and raptors because they have made the RSPB a mint of money ,they first buy the land to protect some nesting sites of certain raptors ,and they have done this for years ,with public donations ,then they rent most of the land out ,so they get a regular income plus donations ,plus they still own the land that is worth 10 times more than they paid for it in the begining ,that is how they made most of their millions .do you think they care about us and our hobby .would you in their position .

you should all bring it into the open ,dont hide any more ,say that enough is enough and you ARE going to start killing them leagal or not .just remember propergander wins wars .if the oposition start reading that there presious hawks are starting to pay the price for their stupidity and ignorance then they just might sit up and take notice ,and start to talk to us to help save there hawks and falcons .STOP HIDING , and see what happens ,after all they got to catch you in the act .

I dont wish to cause any offence ,i to think it is a sad thing [death always is ] especialy for those left behind ,but young men and women are geting killed in foreign countrys so we can continue to live the way we do ,but it is never given the same amount of publicity as a so called celebrity death ,i realy think this is so wrong .i have just this week attended a funeral of a 21 year old boy from my town blown to bits in afganistan he was due home 5 days after this happend ,his family will get pitance for his life ,this country wants to get its prioritys right.

im going to continue this tommorow night if that is ok with you ,only one of my faviourit films is just started on the tv ,[the deer hunter ]and ill be of line fore the next 3 and a half hours ATB les.

to me personaly all of them ,even our own governing body ,but i cant speek for any one else ,any particular reason you ask a question like this .

when you say goverment agencies ,can you be a bit more precise ,ie what ones.

like i told the man him self .he would be better employing a security guard with the money ,common sense realy .

if you see them give them my regards ,and let them know [i DONT GIVE A *expletive removed*]

frank ,to be totaly honist that is excatly why the hobby is in decline ,every body wants to hide things insted of confronting them head on and show we wont be messed with ,then we wont get walked over and sh** on .just my view and what has worked for me for 49 years ATB les.

i have nothing to hide frank , im different than your norm ,what ever may come my way i deal with it one way or a nother ,[but it always gets delt with]

correct ,i was a jockey and i also played scrum half for my towns rugby team .ATB les.

give it another 2 years and you wont be counting at the end of season how many to kill ,you will be breeding late breds to get through the following season if you have not had enough and quit the hobby ,the hawks will see to that for you .

All i can say to that is,he had better be a big *expletive removed* in a armour suit and back up ,then he must get it right first time, or he will be up sh** street im a king by the way ATB les.

all im saying is[ IM TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN ]and i like eating hawks protected or not i dont give a *expletive removed* ,im here on this earth to live and enjoy my life ,not let some stupid people [that see fit to make laws when needed ,but dont alter them when they have served there purpose ]ruien my pleasure ,they get theirs doing other things, if they raced pigeons the laws would be changed ,so like i said *expletive removed* them .ATB les.

IB the wild birds do get a bit wise so do some of the pigeons but [the hawk always gets its meal and keeps on breeding] so being street wise wont count because of the number game ,only lack of food or desise will sort the problem out naturaly nothing else can ,so with out us doing some thing ,i cant see it ever sorted in our life time ,or before the hobby comes to a end because of them .

your missing the poin ,have a read of my post again ,they dont ever come back or kill again .

then the best place fore them is with god [let him feed the bloody murdering *expletive removed*] ;D

not all will be siting ,some of the second round of s,hawks wont mate up ,so they will still have to eat .that is the problem 3to4 times more s,hawks in the same area because they usualy get pushed out by the pairents ,but now they have nowhere else to go because the country side is geting full up with them .

nothing you can do ????

city folk will probibly buy them to show to their kids because its the nearest they will get to wild life because of fecking computers , ,keep all your hate maile for the chinese and koreans ,have you even botherd to take a look what they get up to .

the same goes for me .but most people ,it goes in one ear and out the other .untill it realy affects them then they wished they had listened

ok perhaps your not stupid ,mabe just not up on the way things work ,if the hawk grabs one of the birds that are out ,it dont always have a meal but because it tried and failed it flys away with a big problem atached to its self and can never kill again .like i said i live of the land and know a trick or two .[AND IT IS A LEAGAL TRICK] with no come backs and just incase you have not realised .every time you let your birds into the big wide word you are sending them to their death [just like me ] but mine have more chance than yours of survival.

not when they have had a go ,[see i said have a go ] it can catch one of my pigeons that are left out but 9 out of 10 times it dont always get it but when the hawk flys away 9 out of 10 times it will never catch a living thing again ,and the pigeon will live to fight another day , this is my selection process ,but it is for the hawks ,

just sit up and take note [i KNOW MORE ABOUT HAWKS AND FALCONS THAN YOU WILL EVER GET TO FIND OUT ] i dont get any problems ,neither do any one living near me [i FECKING WONDER WHY ] and this has been going on for a number of years ,you just keep on accepting that they are going to increase in numbers ,it is people like you that will see this hobby die its death because of you stupid attitued , please dont preach to some one that has forgoten more about dealing with wildlife problems ,than you will ever learn i have made a living from it for over 35 years ..its called living of the land.