to be fair the cooncil have been very good and helpful and have told me i can put up a 10 x 10 next to the house to get the birds settled and they would rather not be involved but if a complaint is made they would be obliged to follow it up so ill sus out the neighbours first. mind you one is a polisman so i dont had oot much hope .will keep you all posted and thanksfor all the help. sandy