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i did appreciate what you wrote in the pm Billy but the only thing i had was baytril as it is a nightmare getting things in this country my friend brought some stuff for me and baytril was one of them so thats why i went down that road.i will try to get what you said when im in england for the blackpool show and get what you said sent by post to a family member in england so i can bring it back with me if ever needed again ,thanks again for the pm

couple was puffed up and one of them was skinny but not anerexic with watery droppings so i just got the test kit to see if it was that and it was

no theres no way i have it wrong very easy to use from mercasystem ,collect droppings from birds i tested 3 birds droppings and mixed them together no white dropping just the dark put put some on stick provided them into liquid provided shake well snap top and drip 3 to 5 drops in a hole on test strip and wait ten mins for result gave me 2 pink lines which indicates positive.are the test kit i used any good ,i dont know but it say the vets use them so i donbt know

im not sure as these are my first birds and dont really want to lose them as they are from good stock birds,,they came here and was put under foster parents and i think thats where i got it from ,i know bad move by me but thats history now and its what can be done ,do i let it take its cause ? do i treat again hoping it will fix things and i know its not good to keep treating ? do i kill them all ,maybe they all havent got it ? i really dont know what to do and im feeling pretty low right now and feel like quiting before i start im not going to do that but its how i feel right now.i had a feeling the baytrill didnt work so good because its been down well into minus here and dont think they have been taking on much water ,well i know they havent looking at the drinker every day maybe it would be better to give them 0.1 ml straight down the beak so i know they are getting there dosage is that too much im not sure ?

Ok here we go ,i tested my birds with a mercasystems test kit and it was positive ,so i treat with 10% baytril for ten days 1.5ml in 1 and a half litres water no grit ect just clean food and medicated water and that was finished last sunday the loft was sterilized with virkon from top to bottom beginning of treatment and again on the last day its also cleaned out every day so ive re tested today 6 days after treatment and get another positive result which is has really kicked me in the you know where,i only have 8 birds and dont really want to lose them and start again,they are looking good but im worried about this whole salmonella thing ,what do you all think i should do now treat again or what ?im really cheesed off at the moment so take it easy on me thanks

well the treatment is finished sunday then im going to vaccinate against paratyphiod and again 4 weeks after that again and we will see if these birds are finished because of treating them next year when i breed off them thanks for the replys all

i heard baytril can raise the yeast while treating ,they are not on honey or anything at the moment apart from baytril but i was told to put nystatin powder on the food while treating to stop the yeast build up, but cannot get it here hence the message for a natural substance i could use,its ok i will balance it all out when ive done treating thanks anyway.

id just like to build the good bacteria up when ive sorted this problem out and give them acv few times a week along with garlic and honey.

Why not Baytril Peter ? and also what do you think to these tests with florenicol ?Paratyphoid caused by Salmonella enterica subsp. enterica serovar Typhimurium is the main bacterial disease in pigeons. The ability of Salmonella serovar Typhimurium to persist intracellularly inside pigeon macrophages results in the development of chronic carriers, which maintain the infection in the flock. In this study, the effect of drinking-water medication with florfenicol on Salmonella infection in pigeons was examined. The pharmacokinetics of florfenicol in pigeons revealed a relatively high volume of distribution of 2.02 liters/kg of body weight and maximum concentrations in plasma higher than the MICs for the Salmonella strain used (4 microg/ml) but quick clearance of florfenicol due to a short half-life of 1.73 h. Together with highly variable bioavailability and erratic drinking-water uptake, these parameters resulted in the inability to reach a steady-state concentration through the continuous administration of florfenicol in the drinking water. Florfenicol was capable of reducing only moderately the number of intracellular salmonellae in infected pigeon macrophages in vitro. Only at high extracellular concentrations (>16 microg/ml) was a more-than-10-fold reduction of the number of intracellular bacteria noticed. Florfenicol treatment of pigeons via the drinking water from 2 days after experimental inoculation with Salmonella serovar Typhimurium until euthanasia at 16 days postinoculation resulted in a reduction of Salmonella shedding and an improvement in the fecal consistency. However, internal organs in florfenicol-treated pigeons were significantly more heavily colonized than those in untreated pigeons. In conclusion, the oral application of florfenicol for the treatment of pigeon paratyphoid contributes to the development of carrier animals through sub-MIC concentrations in plasma that do not inhibit intracellular persistency. i do appreciate the input by the way.

fluffed up, watery green droppings,and a test kit that was positive from avianlabs

what do you recommend for salmonella ?

yes thanks for the heads up but it will mainly be for the essentials like worm,cocci,canker,vits etc as its hard to get these items here,we need vet certs and customs this that and the other to get them in the country so this is my chance to stock up so thats what i plan to do .its my first time at the show and im really looking forward to it and i think im staying about 2mins from the winter gardens when i get there

i will wait till after then Wiley,its just something to use till i get to blackpool in january and fill my boots and bags

Thank you very much Walter thats a great help with me being new to racing and pigeons,i also learnt a big lesson now too,dont let anyone in the loft who has just come from there loft . Kind regards Nick

Thanks for that Walter i will give this a go this is while treating is it or after ?

thanks for that Wiley i wasnt sure if i would get too much of a build up of yeast while treating with the liquid baytril and then get candida after the treatment because of the baytril use,i have acv and normally use it a couple of times a week cheers

i cant do that im afraid ,ive only got 8 and picked up salmonella from someone entering my loft and these are all i have to build my stock with next season from very good stock in uk

does anyone know of something i can put on the feed and how much to stop yeast build up while treating with liquid baytril ? i cant get any nystatin etc

Thanks for the reply and now i know what i need to do. Kindest Regards Nick

does that mean there isnt any louvers at the bottom ? just in one side at top and out the other or entering the top and out the bottom ?please clarify this for me

Thanks for the response guys ,its been a calm day today here and the only thing i could smell was the smell of new wood so i guess im ok at the moment but i only have 8 birds in it and the max i will have is about 38 young birds when the loft is full which is about 14ft by 8ft.again thank you its very much appreciated

well im almost bald myself hahahha i think it is worrying about the birds ive got in the loft trying to give them the best i can as ive only got 8 latebreds from good stock from england that i need to keep healthy to build my team with next season so i have something different to what most have here in iceland.

Thanks Geordie thats put my mind at ease trying to think of a design that would draw the air out even if the winds hitting it

does it not matter which way the air goes out as i thought the stale air which rises would just be getting blown back in the loft with the air coming in from the rear top ? and going down into the birds section ?

Hi guys and girls Just wondering if anyone knows how to get the circulation to come in at the front bottom of my loft and out the rear top above the false roof inside ,ive noticed the wind does seem to hit the back of the loft alot and so it comes in and pushes the air down rather than it being drawn up and out also i dont want the louvers at the back on the bottom as im building a breeding section there and its also a very cold easterly wind too ,so is there some sort of build that would make the air go out the back even if the wind is hitting it ? at the moment its a 2 inch gap running the full length underside of roof facing the floor similar to the front but not as wide.im also going to put bigger louvers in the front and one on each side all at floor level.