demo man so are you saying if the bird puts its foot on the line and its body is outside this is legal because thats whats happening the birds are not in the loft its foot is and my self and others are losing time every week because our birds waste time because they have to enter our loft before they register that is why we need a clear rule m8 and im ets and if this is how the shu see it ill be getting the traps where they can put there foot in and time and any one who doesnt is losing time the box where the bird can come out the sky and land on the pad is the one we should have then and its all legal pad inside and a 8 inch fold up landing board