bang on wullie i had almost half my team hawked in newark and leicester last year 18 birds done for the year and lucky to have got home east is no better than west imo no where is safe now but the big difference i see whe we get banged in the west birds turn up next morning and later in the week on the east route you did not see them again as frank says something must be done en mass or we are wasting or time