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Doesn't make any sense does it? Could it be that right from the word go the birds started to vanish and rather than be out £1.40 a bird for the ets ring he decided to leave it nearer to the hot spots for fear of being out of pocket even more? Possibly trying to cut corners to save a bob or two since the entries and profit weren't to be as expected? From the 270 birds lost WITHOUT ets rings on he has now saved himself £300 and that's not including the savings on his own birds that were lost too? Not saying this is how it did go down but something isn't right and just a personal thought of my own........ As for losses, very little has been said regarding the aviary being blown off during the gales we had recently so has this something to do with the amount of birds missing? Were there lots of birds missing then that he didn't want to mention for fear of being held libel for them in the form of a refund? ETS printouts would have shown early on what was missing so is this whole thing just a massive cover-up? Could be wrong in both these assumptions but if Billy wont provide any information on this whole sham then what are we meant to think?

And you all wondered why the full list of birds left wasn’t put up earlier? Probably too embarrassed I would guess! Take off the 38 JOSC birds which are on the list that Billy donated and you will be left with 188 birds out of the original 458 birds entered. That’s 270 birds lost that cant even last training up to 50 miles and bred from fanciers best birds. How many did he donate, 100, 200? Then the losses are even worse than the first figures if there are only 38 of these left too. This whole thing has been a farce from start to finish and he knows that. Can you imagine the flack that would have occurred if he had put the list up earlier when birds were vanishing in abundance from 15, 20 mile stages? All of that on top of everything else would have been quite an embarrassment I reckon. As far as I am concerned I have literally thrown away £400 on 4 birds entered and will never be part of this sham again. I feel for the JSL Services lads who entered 12 birds and not one even made it past the training stage! We all expect to lose a bird here and there but WOW………. No one can say that 270 birds just weren’t up to the job flying UP to 50 mile when they are supposedly bred from the best of the best! Not only has Billy messed this whole thing up for himself but it has put a damper on anyone else in the future even attempting to organise a OLR. He cant stop birds going awol and I am not saying the losses are his fault entirely as we all know the hazards that lie ahead of our birds even in training but this on top of everything else has finished OLR as far as I am concerned. Will there be any birds left at all by the time the final race comes? Not many I would guess and here was all the neighbours at Lamberton worrying about a 1000 cars invading their peacefull village when you will be lucky if there is even a handful!

Bird getting picked up today so thanks lads.

Yes that's the number on the ring I have been trying. Now its giving a couple of rings then saying Theo and then nothing else. Sounds like it could be going onto an answer machine of sorts although it doesn't say anything re leaving a message???? Have now left a message on it so will wait and see what happens? Thanks anyway.

Have just tried to contact sec but phone ringing out. Will give it a try later. Thanks.

Due to not racing until next week I thought by 2.45pm the skies would be pretty much clear of race birds so decided to let my ybs out. No sooner had my 30 gone up and batch of about 50 birds joined them. They stuck together for a good half hour flying off in one direction out of sight and then returning to fly off in another direction out of sight. They must have flown back and forward over the top of my loft about 15 times or more with the main batch finally breaking away and my own birds hitting the rooftops. When mine came down they went straight into the bath and I noticed a stranger amongst them. It was wearing a yellow rubber and a blue telephone ring which had the name THEO on it. When I tried to call the number a voice stated only the name THEO and then a bleep as if it was going onto a fax machine and nothing else? After a head count of my own birds I noticed I was one short too which must have been dragged away by the main batch??? The ring number of the bird is SU13AF1671,light chequer. On checking liberation times I was surprised to see that ANGUS FED were racing from ARNISTON and the birds libbed at 8.15am! God knows how six and a half hours later they were flying around Edinburgh???? If you know THEO from the ANGUS FED can you ask him to get in touch? Cant be too many lads called THEO in one Fed as its not a common name so perhaps someone on here knows him? One things for sure, there will be a few late birds from that race!

LOL.Hows things mate? Is the grass greener on the other side then? Tell the lads in the club I said Hi:)

Couldn’t agree with you more that this is not an open forum topic but your dad decided to make it so when he tried to blame myself and others for not reading things or listening, and twisting what was in my posts to suit himself. Whatever things you feel that he is not owe an apology for may be correct to your way of thinking, but not from the information I have. Aside from that apology you can clearly see that it was not the members fault either as he tried to have us believe. Is an apology not warranted there? I think it is personally but if Peter is so stubborn then so be it. I tried to end this slagging match by not replying to your earlier post and was just going to leave things alone so that I could concentrate on other things. Your dad wouldn’t have it though and not only did he pursue it today and got impatient at my lack of reply, he then decided to attack me on a personal level by challenging my manliness. Was I to ignore it and say nothing and let him and everyone else think I had scurried away into a little corner with my tail between my legs? I don’t think so. You are wondering why I was getting so upset over things then this is why. Your dad pushed me into whatever responses I made to him by making me drag 2 other lads into this debate, namely Roger and Alec the fed president and vice president. Both these lads as you know are in my club and I have to see them on a regular basis. I have a lot of time for both of these guys and we have shared quite a few laughs together. I didnt want to see any of the 2 of them getting a talking to through all this as they are both good lads. Also on a club matter basis it could have affected any future laughs we have together and caused animosity for myself and for them. All of this because your dad is too stubborn to admit where things have gone wrong instead of blaming everyone else and potentially causing grief in my club. I am happy to make this my last post on this subject so have a word with your dad and tell him to stop pushing peoples buttons by unwarranted comments. If he feels the need to apologise to the members for his remarks then even better as they do deserve it. I can live without any apologies so from here on the matter is CLOSED. Finished, done, over, end of…………………………..

First of all mate, I don’t sit at my pc day and night so whatever I have to say will be said when I am good and ready……… and here I am! I am not man enough and you are haha? Don’t make me laugh you stupid fool.I know who you are and have seen you many times…..and you are a MAN????? I don’t think so mate!!! You want to know who I am then why don’t you do your homework? Why don’t you practice what you preach instead of talking a lot of BALONEY as usual. You tell the members all this .*expletive removed* up is their fault because they don’t read or listen. Do you? I told you already that I was at the club and that I had phoned Roger to see why there were no members there? Why didn’t you call him and ask who I was as I would have been the only one to make that call since I was the only one at the club! If you are so interested in who I am then why didn’t you pm me and I would have gladly told you? You done a fine job of reading between my lines in my posts and coming out with crap that wasn’t even mentioned. You even brought your daughter into it when she wasn’t even mentioned, just to take the heat off you because you didn’t have a clue how to respond to the truth. You by-passed all the facts I stated and came out with your usual nonsense to cover up for your balls up mate. Here is a little piece of advice for you my friend, don’t push your luck on open forum by disrespecting me or I will come down on you like a ton of bricks. I haven’t even started with you yet mate so continue to push my buttons and you will soon see who is a man and who is not! Do I make myself clear and do we now understand one another? You have already brought this whole episode on yourself by letting your mouth run off so don’t push things further by your stupidity! All you had to do was say “ Listen lads, there seems to be have been crossed wires for this first race. I appologise for this and I will make sure it doesn’t happen againâ€. That’s it, nothing else, I would have been happy at that as at least you had the decency to appologise. You couldn’t do that could you and kept trying to lay the blame on others. You have no idea who I am yet you let your mouth run off again by disrespecting who I am. You really want to know do you? Well why don’t you look no further than the first old bird race and you will see my name staring you straight in the face…….right at the very TOP of the sheet!!!! Had a look yet mate? So now you know! You continue to push my buttons and I will take you all the way, be it at SHU level or on a personal level. Now stick that in your pipe MR MAN and smoke it!!!!

Unreal Brian eh. This race should go down in the history books of the ML as the biggest fiasco of all time and it was all going to be brushed under the carpet and forgotten about because it was all the members faults for not reading or listening properly lol. Im looking forward to seeing the result in print which should hopefully be tonight???? Thought it would have been up by now as by all accounts it should only have took a few minutes to work out the positions and count and subtract the total of trainers from the birds that were actually in a race. Should be interesting reading.

First of all Peter I wont shut up for you or anyone else and if you don’t like what I have to say then tough on you as you deserve any criticism that is coming to you. Secondly, before you go talking more BALONEY read what I have written like you have insinuated the members don’t do and then dragging your MRS into it because you don’t know how to reply yourself or give any appologies where necessary! Read my post as it is written mate and not what you think is between the lines. I say it how it is mate and if you cant understand the Queens English then don’t bother replying back with more BALONEY! You have stated that both presidents were at the meeting so they knew what was happening? They clearly didn’t know what was happening or our members would have known too. Was it them you meant that should read things or listen to whats being said….. or the club members? You are the only one who knew what was happening so why didn’t you see that your officials knew instead of thinking that they knew? They obviously didn’t and that’s why there was a major .*expletive removed* up! You state that if the information is not passed on then what are you meant to do? Your fed officials are the ones who are meant to pass the information on so what kind of a stupid comment is that to make? You are trying to put the blame somewhere else as usual while at the same time admitting that the fed, not the members, failed in their job! Who’s fault is it then, the officials or the members? Nowhere in any of my posts did I mention the sec wasn’t doing her job so why are YOU coming out with that crap? Clearly because you haven’t got a clue how to reply or to have the decency to put your hands up and say yes it was a .*expletive removed* up at fed level! I already stated in my earlier post that our club could have done things better as regards to handing out the Maidstone fed result sheets etc and nowhere did I even mention your wife hadn’t sent copies to the club. You then say speak to my club officials insinuating that it is down to them. The club officials ARE the FED officials expletive remove so is that you actually putting it on their toes as club officials without having to admit that it wasn’t a balls up at fed level? Make your mind up mate what you mean instead of going on the defensive and accepting blame where it should be! You are admitting and denying things in the same reply and not making one bit of sense. Did you used to be a salesman or something similar as all you are doing is blowing hot air and making no sense whatsoever. Did you read anywhere in my post that the race was a disaster because of a decision made by YOU as the race controller? Read my post again mate as I am not talking in URDU! I said the race was a disaster and yes it was a disaster as admitted by yourself. That was a comment made not an insinuation of who was to blame for the race being a disaster. It may well have been down to percy and in all probability was. Never once did I mention that the late returns or losses were down to the race controller. I am on about the organisation of the race where no one had a clue what was going on. If you cant see what this fiasco was all about then I am wasting my time even talking to you as you clearly wont admit to anything! Yes, my club sec/ fed president made a call to the fed sec stating that only 2 of our members were willing to send or ready to train from that distance. Was he told then that this was a race not a toss so that he could then inform club members? No is the answer to that and the 2 who were willing to send thought they would be sending to a training toss NOT a race and accepted it as just a cancellation of a toss. Would the club sec have had the authority to cancel and stop members sending to an actual RACE albeit there was only 2 of them? They would have been perfectly entitled to send them to a race regardless of how many members in the club sent and it is a disgrace that they were not allowed to do this when they have paid their fees for a FULL racing season! I will tell you what mate if it had been me that was one of the 2 then I would have taken it all the way to SHU level and this whole escapade would have been out in the open instead of you trying to brush it all under the carpet like you always do in the hope that it will just pass over. A race of over 400 birds at fed level is nothing short of ridiculous! There would be more birds sent to a 700 mile race never mind a stone throws away! From the 400 birds sent how many were actually in the race and not sent wearing just a rubber and and no clocks set? Perhaps another 100 or more? That on top of the birds actually lost doesn’t leave many that were clocked as part of a race does it and that is at FED level NOT club level. It is nothing short of ridiculous and you as a race controller should see that and put your hands up to say sorry to the lads for ruining the start of a season. You cant do that though Peter can you? Cant swallow your pride and admit that this whole thing has been a fiasco from start to finish. You have the audacity to tell me to get my FACTS right when everything I have already stated is FACT. Get real mate and take the criticism where it is deserved and not put the buck on to decent members who are not mind readers! Why don’t you state what is FACT yourself instead of beating about the bush with a lot of BALONEY mate! Call a spade a spade instead of trying to shift the blame away from what is clearly a major .*expletive removed* up at FED level. I wasn’t born yesterday mate so don’t presume you are talking to an idiot by telling me to shut up and then replying in only a manner that an idiot would by making no sense or contradicting yourself!

Fair comment re the averages but many of our club members are older and don't access computers to get the result online so the lack of knowledge or understanding of what is happening is still the same. There may be perhaps 3 members in our club who check pb and if you don't see any of them for the weeks between racing then how are non pc users meant to find out things? Perhaps the fault of our sec for not handing out fed sheet results but like I say our SEC is the president of ML fed and he was UNAWARE that this was a race and not a trainer. I wouldn't have raced yesterday anyway even if I knew it was a race as my own birds are not ready yet having not long got over a virus in the yb loft. My point in general concerns all who don't have access to a pc and even some like myself that didn't bother to look at it online because I didn't race from Maidstone and already heard the result before I had a chance to check it online. That would be like saying its printed on the internet so everyone should be aware of it when in reality only a very small percentage of club members know how to use a computer or even have one. Bottom line is still the same.........if fed officials aren't aware of something then how can the buck be placed on individual club members? It is all down to lack of communication at the fed level and not just information shared for those of us that do have access to a pc or know how to use one. Yes, we should have had fed results handed out regardless of whether we participated in the last race as we are all paid up members the same as those who did race. Yes, we should have had a club meeting between old and young bird racing too but even if we did then the end result would have been the same. The Fed officials in our club were UNAWARE what was happening so how could they tell us that it had been changed? Put the blame where it belongs, at FED level, and not come out with stupid excuses of everyday members not reading or listening to what is said. Peter would have us believe that it is all down to individuals fault for not knowing things when it is CLEARLY not the case! The BLAME for this as far as I am concerned is at FED level and this is where the buck should lie instead of blaming individual members for lack of knowledge. Would there have been only about 400 birds racing if everyone was aware? I don't think so but it speaks volumes of how many were aware that this was a race! The buck should be put where it belongs and not onto us members when there are so many that don't even use a pc.

What a lot of BALONEY to cover up a major .*expletive removed* up! I am a member of Edinburgh Premiere and the President and Vice president of Midlothian Federation didn't even know that this was a fed race and both them are in my club!!!! The president is our SECRETARY expletive remove! No one in our club got a fed sheet from the last race so are we meant to guess what's happening? I went along to the club on Friday to see the lads and to see who had been training enough to go to otterburn already. There was not one member at the club and NO birds were sent from here! I phoned the sec ( ML PRESIDENT )to find out what the score was and was told that only one member was going to send trainers but as it would cost £40 to get the birds picked up the toss was cancelled! Not once has there been any mention of this being a race and I was unaware until seeing it on HERE!! I am glad now that my birds were not ready to go that distance as by all accounts the race was nothing short of a DISASTER. There will now be a trophy in our club that wont be won this year by anyone, and I am talking about the AVERAGES as all races have to be competed in to win this. If more club members knew this then I am sure there would have been more birds or members who sent but like I say are we meant to GUESS these things? There was not even a meeting between the old and young bird racing in our club which is the norm so no information from that side of things either! You Peter, are trying to shift the blame for this major .*expletive removed* up by saying people don't read or listen! How are fed members meant to know what is happening if the President and Vice President of Midlothian Fed don't even know? Your Fed officials know nothing but you seem to have answers for everything to cover up the many .*expletive removed* ups in this FED. You are the only fed delegate that has any knowledge of this Peter so don't go trying to blame it on members for not reading things or listening. You seem to know all the answers yourself so why don't you try sharing it with the Midlothian Fed officials so we can all find out whats happening instead of leaving members to GUESS. This kind of management at fed level is nothing short of disgraceful and you should be looking at things from this level instead of blaming club members for NOT reading or listening as it is all down to you lads!!

Bird belongs to Darrin Fish at Craigour, moredun. Spoke to him just now on phone so if you give him a call he will pick the bird up asap. His number is 07597117499

EDINBURGH PREMIERE RESULT FOR NEWARK 1ST...S.GILCHRIST......1235.33 2ND...S.GILCHRIST......1235.27 3RD...S.GILCHRIST......1232.09 4TH...A.McFARLANE......1229.15 5TH...A.McFARLANE......1227.73 6TH...S.GILCHRIST......1215.02 7TH...K.DICK......1207.35 8TH...S.GILCHRIST......1196.94 9TH...S.GILCHRIST......1196.75 10TH...S.GILCHRIST......1195.23 ( SORRY FOR DELAY LADS BUT NOT RACING MYSELF ) WELL DONE AGAIN STUART:)

Bird belongs to my clubmate. Aleck McLaughlan ( Edinburgh Premier ) 0131 554 4673

EDINBURGH PREMIERE OTTERBURN 3 Not sure of the exact result untill tomorrow.Think Stuart Gilchrist has won again on 1209.71?? S.GILCHRIST.....1209.71 A.McFARLANE......1207.332 A.McFARLANE......1206.511 S.GILCHRIST.....1205.020 THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER CLUB MEMBER WHO CLOCKED IN THE SAME MINUTE SO COULD BE PLACED SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN? WONT KNOW UNTILL TOMORROW THE FULL RESULT SO COULD CHANGE SLIGHTLY. POOR RETURNS AT CLUB TIME.

Yes, full credit to stuart once again. Credit too and worthy of a mention is Tony McFarlane with a possible 2nd Fed? Tony missed the first race, was 4th and 5th fed next race, then 4th and 5th Fed again and a probable 2nd Fed this race. Well done Tony mate:) I am surprised there has been no mention by anyone on how bad a race this was for many? There were a lot of unhappy faces in my club including myself and 2 hours after stuarts first bird there were lots of birds still not back. I only sent 5 myself but had only one back by the time we had to go to the club and others were in the same boat. I dismantled my clock an hour after the first bird back so never clocked in at all and the same for another member. I eventually got 4 of the 5 back but one still missing was my 11th Fed the week prior. A few birds have worked their way back now but many are still missing. Where are they now? God knows! Looking at the club results of others it seems to have been an all over bad race but no comments re this? Not sure if I will be racing this week as I need to hold some birds back for next year or I will be back to square one again. Maybe send one or two but we shall see. If not then I will try to get a copy of the result early enough to put on PB so bear with me if its not on till later:)

EDINBURGH PREMIERE WETHERBY RESULT 1ST...S.GILCHRIST......1308.36 2ND...A.McFARLANE......1291.74 3RD...S.GILCHRIST......1291.02 4TH...S.GILCHRIST......1227.18 5TH...K.DICK......1223.82 6TH...K.DICK......1221.43 7TH...K.DICK......1209.32 8TH...S.GILCHRIST.....1208.69 9TH...K.DICK......1203.70 10TH...K.DICK......1202.92 WELL DONE STUART

BIRD BELONGS TO GRAHAM CUMMINGS. 0131 552 1298

Stuart would have taken 11th and 12th as well in the club if there had been any such positions to take. Fantastic flying mate! My latebred cock ( SU 12 ML 3977 ) wasnt too far behind and although not making the fed sheet with him this week, he still gave me a respectable 1275.976ypm. He was my 2nd bird back from 10 that I sent so is showing some signs of consistency and not just a one race wonder. My 5th pigeon to trap was a hen I lost 2 weeks ago in the first otterburn race lol. God knows where she has been but she is in perfect health so obviously been visiting someone?

EDINBURGH PREMIERE RESULTS FOR THIRSK 14 MEMBERS SENT 332 BIRDS 1ST...........S.GILCHRIST......1349.408 2ND...........S.GILCHRIST......1347.104 3RD...........S.GILCHRIST......1346.982 4TH...........A.McFARLANE......1340.537 5TH...........A.McFARLANE......1340.296 6TH...........R.SMART..........1328.946 7TH...........MR+MRS.J.BLACK...1312.937 8TH...........S.GILCHRIST......1311.613 9TH...........S.GILCHRIST......1310.466 10TH..........S.GILCHRIST......1310.008 A BIG WELL DONE TO STUART ON TAKING THE FIRST 3 POSITIONS AND 6 IN THE TOP 10 OF THE CLUB!

Well mate I was right in making my latebred cock my full pooler as I won the club pools:) Have just read the Fed result too and see he was 17th Fed from 2047 birds. A good result but could have been even better as it was a very bad trap and cost me a good 4 minutes in the clock:( No sense going there though as we have all had it at some point and its what is on the clock that counts:) Am still proud of him for his efforts and he did win my pools so will let him off lol. Gave him a couple of drops of nazaline earlier today and a we kiss on his heed at the same time so we are still pals:) I have no hesitation in making him my full pooler again for Thirsk so fingers crossed.He will be sitting on dummy eggs that are overdue but doubt very much if the eggs will be deserted in time for the race? A bit of a pity as I would love to see what he does while he is driving his hen on top of any other motivation? All being well he will be driving his hen by Wetherby and if he is still here then he will put by till next year after that. ( Had one back next day from Otterburn 2 with the typical puncture and gash wounds ) Congratulations to Steve on 1st and 2nd Otterburn 2 and also the other lads who made the result. Well done:)

EDINBURGH PREMIERE OTTERBURN 2 RESULT 14 MEMBERS SENT 326 BIRDS 1ST......A.McFARLANE......1179.428 2ND......A.McFARLANE......1178.448 3RD......S.GILCHRIST......1175.475 4TH......S.GILCHRIST......1175.475 5TH......R.SMART......1157.757 6TH......MR&MRS BLACK......1153.091 7TH......MR&MRS.BENNET......1151.975 8TH......M.CUNNINGHAM&R.CAINS......1146.417 9TH......MR&MRS.BENNET......1141.286 10TH......MR&MRS.BENNET......1141.104

Yes I understand where you are coming from mate. Sorry about the BOOK but no other way to explain things without giving the FULL picture:)