BLACK W F

yes i know he.s been living at black dog for a long time i bought them off him when he had the lofts next to davey at broad hill and i handled a lot of his jets i also handled his other doos inclusive of the sect winners cant say i handled any jets that where 12 or 13 flighted though but that dont mean they did not have 12-13 flighted and i,m sure Larry had them a lot further than 150 mls

if your looking at winners Roland go up to franks he,ll show you UNC WDA AMAL NATIONAL winners all bred from his own birds and bought back silver sire of 2 UNC WINNERS gsire 2 UNC WINNERS and theres many more thats the strongest competision around testement to the quality and his stockman ship pure class

he did have jimmy but he moved them on i,m away home i will pm you with the name who got them and what he done this year its all secrets down there jimmy nothing changes remember i belong there i know lol

has John Soderland still got his they come from frank

i thought brian clayburn only had the 1 pair he shifted the rest on could be wrong

yes i know they did as did a lot more who have never given the man the credit he deserves i seen and handled them they are as good as the first ones in the late 70s spot on

how you going clyde train or plane

kevin i was told they went to frank sheeders as frank had sold them birds to score but frank would not sell so they bought mardons as before that they where doing nothing with the birds

the mardons got an offer they could not refuse thats why he sold them to j s lofts j s lofts tried to buy another loft of them but could not get them so went to mardon

WHERE THEY HOLDING IT MATE NEVER KNOW MIGHT GO FOR THE CRACK

THE VERY FIRST ONES

where did J S LOFTS FIRST ONES COME FROM

the big problems is that some guys bring birds in and no one knows what they are as they play their cards close to their chest who was the partnership flying around the cannock area late 80s early 90s murdering all comers jack walker what was his partners name i wonder where his first ones come from

yes willie he had them aswell i think davey rose had some off larry not sure

Quoted from BLACK W F the best where the first that came in and he flew in the UNC come on b.w/f don,'t keep me in suspense graham calvert? sent you a pm suspence creates interest

the best where the first that came in and he flew in the UNC

yes Bryan i bought 2 off Larry many years ago 1 was off his seaham harbour winner if i remember correctly i have not seen Larry since he moved how time rolls on

think you could well be correct Gareth they where very fast i do know Douglas brought other birds into the country from his travels in belg and germany the black jets just seemed to disappear what a pity

yes kelly tom your right but think there was more than 1 pair brought back i think the ck of the pair won 3-4 x1st but not sure they where good birds in the hands of a very good fancier

was not only in the 70s was the 80s aswell is that what you think they would still be winning no doubt about that

kelly tom you are bang on the money he anilated all opisition with them that was the name of the no1 pair but he had more than the one pair as i think he bought them as y/bs but the deal was the guy raced them and he got them at the end of the season which he did but never new they where stolen

they where flown late 70s 80s very fast telfer brought them in from belg used to travel there a lot on buisness he hammered the opisition with them upto around the 200ml mark flew in Motherwell i believe

as there are plenty guys on here do any of them still fly the black jets of douglas telfer they where very fast up to 200 mls do any remember them

no he flew K HERMANS before he brought in the gabbys

theres only one in my opinion and i seen and handled all the champs they where fantastic and what a gent even though iv known him for years he has made them his own family turns combine amal and national winners like its a conveyor belt dont count the 2nds ect other positions or multi fed winners just too many