while this might have been started as a Scottish thread it effects the whole UK look at the UNC there are not half the members there where 20 years ago the same cane be said for all plenty yapping done but never no action its time to stop all the charity sales untill we put our own house in order or the only legacy we will leave will be throphys as a memoury that once there was a sport call ed pigeon racing we have given fortunes away yesto very worthy causes but our need is greater now just my opinion