micko and jack

looking very good john i must say all credit to ann haha but freds doing ok as the photo proves but then they came from the best breeding mick

bill behave yourself I have been using my native tongue on site from I joined over a years and a half ago and I have just noticed I have just broken my 1000th post and you know that mo chara (my friend) jes are you learning nothing from my post why do you not post in YOUR native tongue as i do maybe help me when i visit Scotland now I know its a bit quite tonight BUT I'M NOT BITING LOL

John your more than wellcome ANYTIME as i said if your ever in Belfast call for a cuppa it was nice to meet you all and i hope things work out for you best of luck and have a great season mick and jack

Fred looking very very good and a real credit to you john will be glad to see those birds looking so well and see that your doing a good job best of luck mo chara mick and jack

but jack do you have the money for the electric meter haha soon to be antos stock lofts haha

hahaha good one mo chara (my friend)

A costumed dog with an unusually long tongue is seen during the dog street carnival parade in Rio de Janeiro, Sunday, Feb. 7, 2010. Hundreds gathered in the streets during one of the many parades before Carnival, which runs Feb. 12-16. Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/in-pictures-rio-carnival-2010-14685436.html?action=Popup&ino=1#ixzz0gVCeUb1M

nice looking birds a credit to you mo chara (my friend) and your grand-daughter lovely and great to see her enjoying herself mick and jack

we had a lovely visit today by (portmuffins) john his wife and friend willie it was very nice meeting you all john and thank you for the offer of visiting your lofts jack and i are looking forward to that once it gets a bit warmer haha i hope you enjoyed jacks fantails and thank you for the rings

looking very very well credit to you mo chara

anyone needing blow up photos of the scary man just PM only antos a friend if i seen that photo on his gate i wouldnt open it haha and I HAVE A JOB im a fulltime grandfather ask jack and nadine haha

http://www.irishhomingunion.com/page41.htm

well done AL great reading

came on this on the IHU web site well done mo chara well done mick and jack ANTHONY MEEHAN of NORTHSIDE This is Anthony's first year racing with Northside, and he had a winner out of Rosscarbery (173 mls.). He keeps Louis Cooremans, Busschaerts, Staf van Reets and some Van Loons. Although he races Natural System at present, I get the feeling that will change next year. The pigeons are trained every day and fed with a standard mix. Once a week he puts natural yougurt.

honestly dont know the offical name sorry about that i would call it NICE

CHAIRDE FRIENDS well as you all know and I'm not getting into it again you have all read the threads about the break-ins a guy phoned about 6 tonight looking jack he have got 2 fantails in with his homers a kid (who the lad didn't know) called to the door I think you have 2 of my birds do you call you jack no that's ok I'll the phone number on the leg rings so I went down a red checker and a mealy (mother and daughter) I'm delighted to get them back bought the lads mother who Roberta spoke to on the phone a box of chocolates and offered the lad £10 and to his credit he refused it saying I would like to think someone would phone about any of my birds lost or stolen

http://pigeonracingpigeons.com/2009/11/ The Miracles of Chlorine…NOT! November 27, 2009 PigeonRacingFan 25 comments **Before reading this article I would like to tell you that I DO NOT AGREE! with putting chlorine, bleach or any other chemical like that into your birds drinking water. These chemicals are toxic to the birds, in the article below you will notice that Dr. Marx states that after using the chlorine in his loft his loft was essentially disease free. I have no doubt that Dr. Marx’s birds were disease free because the chlorine will kill all bad bacterias in the birds however along with killing the “bad†bacteria the “Good†bacteria in the birds will also be destroyed which in turn will destroy the birds immune system and natural immunity to disease. Let me give you a little scenario lets say you chlorinate your birds drinking water in your loft yes your birds seem to be disease free but after drinking the chlorinated water your birds immune system becomes weak. Now lets say you ship your birds to a race and now your birds are kept in a loft that doesnt chlorinate their water. Without the chlorine acting as an artificial immune system in the birds your birds own weakened immune system will be bombarded by normal bacteria from both the new loft and the new birds that they come in contact with. Now your birds are highly subseptable to new disease that normally the chlorine would have killed and so on and so fourth. My opinion when keeping pigeons is to only medicate when absoluetly necessary. Some fanciers in my opinion go overboard and weaken the natural immunity of their birds with artificial supplements. The reason why I posted the below article was to show you different ideas and opinions that fanciers have. Again I DO NOT agree with chlorinating your birds drinking water, in my opinion please use it for what is was meant for; a cleaning solution and a cleaning solution only.** Thanks -Chris The Miracles of Chlorine The addition of common household bleach to the drinking water does, indeed, have beneficial effects on pigeon health. This seems a little weird since the drinking of cholrinated water has negative implications in human health, especially with suggestions that it may be incriminated in the increased rate of cancer. Chlorine is a strong chemical which binds to most organic molecules and can change their chemical identity, making some non-toxic compounds become toxic. Personally, I use a filter on my drinking water which removes chlorine; but my pigeons drink a lot of it with what I percieve as beneficial effects. NEVER PUT ANYTHING ELSE IN THE DRINKING WATER AT THE SAME TIME AS CHLORINE. The ususal method of treating the drinking water is to add 1 to 2 teaspoonsful of common household bleach, such as Clorox or Purex, to each gallon of water. The amount varies depending on the temperature. When it is hot the chlorine leaves the water faster, so use more; when it is cold, it leaves the water slowly so use less. Chlorine is a very strong disinfectant and keeps the water-transmission of disease organisms to a minimum. Most diseases of pigeons can be spread via the drinking water, so the judicious use of a disinfectant can prevent some of the things that our pigeons may be exposed to. There may be a hidden benefit as well: the increased consumption of chlorine, which in turn is eliminated by the kidneys, produces a more acid urine. The urine is excreted along with the feces.(it is the white cap on the feces) This net result is a more acidic dropping. Salmonella, and other bacteria, dislikes an acidic environment. This may decrease the environmental proliferation of the bacteria, making it less likely for pigeons to contract an infective dose. This is theory, and not proven scientific fact, so thake it for what it is worth. I have given it a lot of thought and concluded that this is why lofts that deal with paratyphoid do better after treatment, if the birds are kept on this chlorinated water. I handled convention race birds this last spring/summer. The only thing that I did for the birds was to keep them on chlorinated water. Mine was the only loft that experienced no sick pigeons. Is that coincidence? I think it probably isn’t. I also theorize that drinking this chlorinated water has a negative influence on the trichomonads in the oral cavity. I need to do some simple research to confirm this but, in my mind, it should have some effect on the numbers of these organisms. It at least will minimize the water transmission of trichomonas; and this is the main route of spread. Remember: NEVER PUT ANYTHING ELSE IN THE WATER AT THE SAME TIME AS CHLORINE. IT WILL PROBABLY NEUTRALIZE THESE COMPOUNDS OR RENDER THEM TOXIC TO THE BIRDS . When wanting to give vitamins or a treatment for coccicia, worms, or trichomonas, etc., simply leave out the chlorine for those days and then resume when the dosing is completed. Household bleach should not be considered a treatment, but only a preventive measure. The Miracles of Chlorine by Dr. David E. Marx DVM

just came on this http://members.tripod.com/racing_pigeon/health_page.htm Article on Bleach in Drinking Water In March 1985 a personal friend of mine, Mr. Ralph Bevan, in an interview with Mr. Ralph V. Forbes for the Racing Pigeon Facts International, wrote one of the best aids to good form according to Ralph is the proper use of bleach in the water. Some years ago Ralph experimented with it in the drinking water and the bath water. He noticed his birds feathering became silkier as the days went by. He added 3 drops of bleach to a gallon of drinking water and 1 capful of bleach to a 5 gallons of bath water. Further to this study in the late '90's, Dr. David Marx also used bleach in his bird's drinking water everyday. His dosage is 1 teaspoon per gallon of water. He feels that it makes the droppings of the birds very acidic, therefore the birds are less likely to pick up any diseases such as Cocci or Canker. He stresses NOT to use anything else when using bleach and only use bleach with no additives. If you must give vitamins or medication of any type just stop the bleach until you have finished the vitamins or medication then you can start the bleach again.

got this on the Vet articles thread USE OF ACIDS IN PIGEONS By Dr Colin Walker BSc, BVSc, MRCVS, MACVSc (Avian health) One of the ways that the bowel protects itself from disease is through the maintenance of a weakly acidic environment. They are able to do this because many of the normal bacteria present, such as Lactobacillus, produce lactic acid. With stress the Lactobacilli are one of the first bacteria to be lost and so acid production falls and pH rises resulting in a less acidic bowel. Potentially disease causing organisms such as E.coli, Salmonella and yeast don’t survive well in an acidic environment and so the loss of this acidic environment creates a window of opportunity for these to establish and multiply. Anything that re-establishes the normal acidic environment quickly, minimises the chances of disease. One way of doing this is by adding acids to the birds drinking water. Initially this may seem a little bit strange, however, if done correctly it can be advantageous. There are dose rates available for acids such as hydrochloric acid, however, as these acids can be quite dangerous to handle their use is not encouraged. There are two acids commonly used. One is acetic acid. This is available as apple cider vinegar at your local supermarket and the dose rate is 5ml per litre. Alternatively, citric acid can be used. This can be purchased as a white powder from the chemist ( we also stock it at the Knox Bird Clinic). Here the usual dose used is 1 teaspoon (3grams) to 6 litres of water. It is interesting that many of the older bird books recommend the use of acids and suggest squeezing lemon juice or adding other sources of citric acid to the birds drinker. Some old secrets still work well today. Used correctly, acids can do the birds no harm. Fanciers can use them in a number of ways. Either to treat the birds when they are diagnosed with E.coli or “thrush†(yeast) where they are a handy way of controlling mild infection without resorting to antibiotics. Alternatively, if the loft has on going problems, a fancier can put them in the water for one or two days per week as part of an ongoing health management programme, say on a Wednesday and Sunday. Also, if fanciers experience predictable yeast or other bowel problems following stress, say for example, following periods of cold damp weather in an open loft, then when these conditions occur he can put the acids in the water for one or more days to head problems off. With mild yeast or bacterial bowel upsets the use of acids often results in the production of tight brown nut-like droppings with reduced odour and a healthier looking bird. A failure to respond indicates a more serious problem and veterinary assistance may be required.

I just happened to be reading up on this a few weeks ago after we had the break-in I was giving this very serious thought after googling it i got a news link some pensioner had it up to his back teeth for cats p**sing on his lawn and plants so he put up his own electric fencer of a car battery charger and fried the neighbours cat in front of a screaming child you should remember a battery charger is putting out current ALL THE TIME a proper fencer sends out pulses when I was thinking about one the wife wasn't happy about it and said michael you might HURT someone now those off you that know me WOULD I HURT SOMEONE ROBBING MY JACKS FANTAILS

was locked out earlier PM still not working was talking to gangster hes locked out and cant get on for days I know it a real pain but we should all try and be patient as im sure Fifer and valance are trying their best after all the site down is in no ones interest its that or Fifer and valance are GIVING OUT A LOT OF USER BANDS haha

only if you donate to the wet blanked haha

anto it looks very well i know with you loft managment you'll gget the best out of it Go n-eiri an t-adh leat mo chara . "Good luck my friend." mick and jack

jes get a life its like i tell the wife ITS ONLY PRETEND

dont knock it chara ALL THEY NEED good tail wind 100% they will beat anything in any OF YOUR LOFTS and a part from that fantails are FAR NICER LOOKING