I understand the frustration of people just using the site to sell pigeons and not giving the site any usefull input as most of us do without the need to sell pigeons, i have on occasions not agreed with some postings however i have not dragged the the debate down by insults or anything like that. As for slating any novice because they havent won a race , that is completely wrong , we need to encourage new blood in to the sport and support them with advice , and if this fanciers is so good at winning perhaps he could donate a few birds and offer some mentoring , and help rather than belittling others . Some people just feel empowered behind a keyboard sad but true , and feel the need to belittle to make themselves feel more superior , than there pecking order in the real world. Smile lifes too short , perhaps if you pass a smile on then we'd have a happy site ;D ;D ;D ;D