Delboy

lol, brought up in the gutters m8 lol, if yer not fast yer last

Wiley,you know the answer m8 im sending a cheque down to put on her lol

What flights Wiley? Usually a bird throwing 2 flights at once is showing good form and unless its far out in the wing I wouldn't hesitate sending, with a couple of quid on too

:emoticon-0136-giggle: Its funny Rab how everybody is wanting a change now that a couple from the west are down there. The same things been happening for years but nobody bothered that much.

Maybe down the road for the Solway boys but for us up here, I would defo say Ayton is breaking point in yb nat in westerly winds. Just read the results Stevie, its there in front of ye.I would also say,if the wind was s.west the Solway would've been further behind in the result. As for the formula, that's for an educated University student to take up, as long as they were given enough info on historical snfc races then I wouldn't foresee a problem.

2 posts uve made and both have made a cant of ye showing complete ignorance to racing pigeons into Scotland.

George, Billy is a gentleman and wouldn't say it was easy or hard flying down there because he has to stay there but, if any of his neighbours asked, he would tell them the difference from flying there to where he stayed before.

Good point Lewis but distance races aren't fair either m8.You have fatigue factors here.As they say, distance kills.Me and you run a marathon and then ive to run another 10 miles at the same speed, doesn't happen m8.

Making what harder??

Ive been at his house, ive been his friend for over 30 years and I know why he moved there.

expletive remove George, look at guys sending 3 doos getting them all in top 60 open. Tell me the good fliers in his club, Andrew Lees then????A young lad aged 13, a few years back, decided to send to the yb nat from down there.He had all his doos in the top 100 open,ALL HIS DOOS. Billy is a good fancier, yes, BUT!!!!!

Crazy statement Peter, Cheltenham in a s.west wind , Ayton same result as always. Remember Stuart Roberts, he won 5 out of 7 yb nats, including Cheltenham and he couldn't buy a ticket before he moved there.

This disadvantage is most prevalent in the yb nat but the same rule applies to most national races, location, location, location . Watch the 2 BILLYS tear the azz out the east section in the inland races next year The advantage changes slightly the further ye go, then the shorter fliers have the penalty kick. My statements are factual and based on years of being involved in national racing.

You are showing real ignorance in how the nationals work.1ST SECT D Real distance 272 miles, 1ST SECT E Real distance 304 miles. Measure from Leicester to Ayton (BREAKING POINT) then to each winning loft. Then take into consideration a bird flying into the wind, fatigue and flying alone without drag, I know what bird I would want in my racing team.This is a more accurate measurement and explains everything. Last year, the first bird timed in the west ( Mr Mrs Elliot )was timed 2 and half hours after the Ayton pigeon. This year it is 2 hours 15 minutes into a n.w wind flying 26 miles further than Elliots. 1st section E is flying 80 miles from Ayton , alone and into a head wind, with failing light, it took 2 hours 15 minutes. Now, back to my theory of breaking points and fatigue factors etc making things fairer.Even with these put in place it still would favour the drag BUT, IT WOULD BE FAIRER THAN WHAT WE VE GOT.

Top flying into a not so brilliant location.Well done Willie

Thanks lads,

Cheers lads for your comments, well done to you all for getting in as well. Big Stuart in Peterhead had a cracking race as did Ryan in Boness and Jock in Ravenstruther. Cheers Robbie m8, yes Willie ross s was a cracker too, well done.

Cheers Ricky, unlike yersel, ive never won one yet m8. :emoticon-0167-beer:

lolololo

Cheers m8, well done yersel,

Well done yersel Jack, mustve been a buzz for ye.

When Im bringing in a bird, I look at the fancier first. If he is a decent, genuine, honest person then you are on the right track and half way there.

cheers Vinnie Cheers Paul Cheers Alan

CRACKING PIGEON TO THE PEGGIES, ALSO THE BEST IN SCOTLAND, JOHN MCNEIL 7 OUT TOP 9 IN SECTION D

Cheers John, result on web site. ps. Thats my 5th WEST REGION win. If still in sect F 24 x 1st sections lol.