first of all, as in everything pigeons its a ,THEORY, and one that some people are able to grasp and do things with while others who in there ignorance of it are quick to condem it ,how is that a doctor can look into your eyes and tell you about your health ,OWEN,WATTIE,you both have given your views on breeding methods for the novice and spent some time and detail on it but when it comes to eye sign and a novice asking questions you dissruped the thread by not giving your views on it but taking the easy way of saying it is rubbish ,why not give us YOUR views on it and point us in the direction so we can all say it is rubbish , I HOPE TO BE FURTHER EDUCATED ON THIS SUBJECT BY YOURSELFS