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hi jack, well i think what roland is trying to say is , lets not argue. but we are not so lets disscuss things all pigeon orientated. thank you for the praise of the web site jack and i do try my best .... you probably spotted the cats too strange combo !! i think your right we didnt get off to a great start but hey as long as we end on a good note. i am however fed up of the pigeon spotr in general as it does not get any good press, do you not find that also.? as for eyesign , would you consider telling me which books started you on the trail of eyesign? most started with the s w e bishop book. regards spencer

Dear Jack, I stand in humble apology and not thrashing about in anger, that I offending your beliefs in the religious quarter, yes you are correct maybe I should not have used a religous example as my example. I also do not question your musical achievements, i am humbly impressed sir. As for my attitude ... I am slightly lost by this as I am expressing my views and like all views they can be controversal in all aspects. As for a truce I think we were in discussion not argueing , i have no ill feeling towards you in anyway whatsoever. i hope you do not take any of which i say to personally ,but beliefs are a personal thing i guess. you sir need no introduction in the pigeon world, your reputation prceeds you and a very impresive reputation you have to, and this is no buttering up of yourself , i am in humble company and honoured to a point that you found time to message me, I do hope we can possibly e-mail each other and move with the times together, as regards to knowledge within our sport you are among the most acclaimed i am sure. I wish sometimes that this so called sport of ours could move in the circles of fact and common sense and leave theory behind, eyesign is a sceptical subject jack and i only try to move it in the direction i believe it should have gone 20-30 years ago , but it seems to have still been labelled with the tag of theory. so that is why i stick to facts only, its less arguementative (supposedly) i will brouse your site and hope you brouse mine but if not thats ok, i will cast my factual eye over your findings and birds and see if maybe i can enjoy what you have written, i would like to think maybe you would give what i say about eyesign some further thought and maybe you will see something to take further yourself, eyesign is an existing factor we stand together on that, so maybe there is a base to work together istead of going at each other? i think the hardest thing for a pigeon man to do is admit he is wrong..... maybe we will have a long wait for ourselves but maybe not. regards spencer and hope you are well sir.

klak flew he's pigeon upto middle distance i think because he never pushed he's pigeons to far as they were to valuable to him.

Mr barkel must also remind you sir that as you claim karel meulemans mentions you in his book ... fact is he does not mention you . fact is Frank Daelemans has written your name in the text as a Mr saville Perkins mentions you visited he's loft. please stand corrected and put your trumpett back in the box.

Mr Barkel, I feel I have offended you sir and for that I am sorry, as for insulting anybodys religion or religous beliefs that is not my intention , my only intention is to try and stick to facts and nomatter what I say sir about anything I am sure nobodys beliefs will waver because of it. A fact of life is that "a woman can not have a child without fertilization" this is a fact. do you deny this? and I will expect an answer as you expect answers from me do you not? I believe in god but to believe the bible has not been manipulated over centuries ... and by man himself. I am interested in your views and disscussing your findings would be interesting, you believe what you will sir, as for insulting my inteligence, well that is probably what I expect people set in their ways to think and please relise you have not offended me in any way whatsoever. I have read karel meulemans book and yes it seems you are mentioned although mispelt I can see the author is refering to yourself. but it only mentions you picked out a certain mr seville pigeon as he's best well i have done the same in peoples lofts , but honestly you picked out a pigeon which any fancier who knows a good pigeon when seen could have done the same. I applaud you defending what you believe and I stand by your side in the fight to make eyesign a recognised fact but I do think it is being used wrongly , although you will argue or intend to prove otherwise is a good thing . AS for your challenge what would i achieve £50,000 and what would it achieve for me.. not anything . I am not a travel agent sir and do not intend to be. I am not picking a fight with you on this as you insulted me in a number of text sentences and i intend not to do the same. I shall not belittle somebody who i think has a case to push eyesign forward and help those who do not understand it, you sir provide an essential stepping stone for eyesign people to move on with their study and findings. the stepping stone for my findings are eyesign men or experts who believe as you do and stand by their convictions and i thank them. best regards spencer

speckled hen sorry about my spelling, better with my hands than my spelling lol... crazy woman what are you like.. mad i think.

well gangster if thats where you got your klaks you need me to tell you nothing. fantastic birds they must be!!! where are you based mate i am in cambridgeshire

jimmy and vic these things can be done but why would you abuse your pigeons in this way, its not right the big continental fanciers do not do this.... please come out of the dark ages. i think that if you practice this kind of management then your management is not forward thinking enough, hope i have not offended you it not my intentin to. but god please stop abusing your birds .

hi jimmy, eyesign i know is a true fact , because it is a genetically inherited part of the pigeon ..which is fact!! ansd i will state that eyesign can not be used to measure a birds ability to the full and should not be used to do so. all eyesign can be used for is to determine the health of the bird and confirm that it is bred from the claimed parents. thats it no experts no bullshit no theory. just facts. so i will now rename eyesign as optical gene-sign.

garlic is not bad for pigeons but its best left in spegetti bolognasse.. does not matter if you give it or not really.

chicadee, just a tip , do not feed grit there is no need to feed the stuff it is a waste of money, i shall give my reasons which are factual, for your pigeons to get enough calcium from grit they would have to eat one sack load every day!! plus if they racing its like eating stones, would you eat stones before a race , think how much it weighs in relation to the pigeon!!! your far better off giving a calcium mineral supplement in the water once a week. give pink and black minerals as normal but not grit. he does not benefit the pigeons .. its been brainwashed into us to make us pay out good money for old ideas worth nothing. hope i helped.

soeckled hen your nuts but kinda crazy cool, i like your atitude..

hi ronnie, well i have methods and if any can help you mate then great if not not to worry, i have top pigeons and breed from them only, i feed versalaga energy mix which is a light diet mix, they have plain water with calcium supplement added one a week, i scrape my loft daily or every 2 days depending, as for training i train upto 25 miles 6-7 times at start of season and 1 a week during, thats it. good pigeons and simple easy methods will win races. just to add i feed the diet mix all year round no changing. or i give crushed peanuts and budgie seeds mixed together during breeding. maybe this will help you maybe not, you decide just enjoy what you do ronnie, look at pigeons which is the best teaching advice i can give, all are different sizes, shapes, wings and eyes but all good pigeons have one thing in common, they are well bred from good pigeons. take it easy ronnie

TO WEBMASTER, I got your message and would like to apologise and will not do it again thought it would interest people. accept my apologies. thanks spencer :-/

hi davey b . make you right gotta have the right ones mate, visit my web page . some nice birds and they win at top level .. keep well mate

close to the originals gangster, so where did everybody get their klaks and meulemans, i got my klaks from jos van limpt himself before he passed away and now i get them from van gestel he's loft manager or ex manager, meulemans from beverdam, i have a grandson of the benjamin and kadet also grand daughter of gouden witneus!! and they are fully fertile at 12 years old!!! take a look at my website to browse www.timbarra.co.uk . stay cool guys and gals

thanks guys or gails sorry, hey speckled you write crazy style....

hi ronnie, well your statement that you will let time and study of your own birds is a very valid and sensible one, just keep an open mind my friend and just see what i wrote in the british homing world is fact or theory.. the hardest thing for a pigeon fancier to admit he is wrong , they seem to be a dead breed at times , but some are forward thinking maybe like yourself. taylorloft glad your winning and i bet that most of your birds are related from the same bloodlines, therefore your best pigeons will be of similar bloodline!! check and you will see i am basically correct . and why do they have great eyesign you ask , well because they are the same bloodline and the eyes are similar it goes without saying eyesign is genetically inherited . read pigeon genetics. alfons anker as much material as you can find. look i not gonna go on about it make up your judgements cheers all , :-/

Albear , I am sure you have taken my articles and much of what I am saying the wrong way. first of all I agree you cannot tell a good pigeon totally on the eye.. ok , i do however think you strut for arguments, why? things are suppose to be disscussed and i feel you make a judgement cut and dried. fine thats your perogative i totally understand that. eyesign exists or not exists well who really cares . the eye exists and without it you or your pigeons would not be able to see!! maybe it should be called genetic eye study instead of eyesign. i never select my pigeons on eyesign rather type and bloodline with performance, and i have bred winners at classic, national, and still i only use eyesign to confirm parentage. i believe this so called sport is so primative because of the people involved, scared to listen or consider any other view other than their own, well these people will do what they wish and it will not affect myself so good luck to them. i also mentioned i study eyes for 16 years ....again not as a measure that i know more than anybody else due to i maybe been doing it longer , but just to show i not been doing it 5 minutes!!! look at it this way; if somebody has been studying eyesign for 30 years what makes him more knowledgeable than me ? well is it he not learnt in 30 years what i learnt in 16.... who not the clever one !!

ronnie hello , it is not an asumption but 16 years of study, eyesign exists but how many experts have said pigeons will do this or that and have not ? the number is legion!! I have an understanding of genetics in racing pigeons and it is a fact... a fact that pigeons are made from 2 parents from whom they inherit their genes!! think about it and if all these guys can pick the best in fanciers lofts and claim they will win , well it stands to reason , the best bloodlines in a fanciers loft are going to be hes most successful and there more of that bloodline than any other , so its easy to pick out a good bird, eyesign is sex genetically linked and hereditary , i have proved it , but you are your own person and should believe what you think is right.. the bible states mary was a virgin ( nice trick if you can pull that one off) was she? deal with facts not hearsay or theory . theory is exactly that a mans idea to claim something of half truth.

hi chrissy , well you sound like you know what your talking about so a cant comment on if it works , i just had images of fanciers putting oil down pigeons throughts. well at least they willhave nice breath. but as a healing tool i think your most right possibly..? spence

hi davey B, well its good to have an non biased opinion of sorts on the subject mate. well you do not use it as a major selecting tool thats good and yes it can determine the general health of a bird. I can be totally honest and say experts do not exist in eyesign no matter who they are, eyesign can be used for 1) determining the health of a bird. 2) confirmation of pedigree and breeding . because eys like any other part of the living tissue of any being is genetically inherited !!!! my e-mail is spencer@timbarra.co.uk and my web address is timbarra.co.uk take a look and mail me. i have written in the BHW and hope most fanciers caught my articles. talk again soon. cheers for the reply

hi all .

people do not put loads of rubbish into your pigeons you will not win. spence

would anybody like to tell me what they think eyesign is used for.? be careful i know what i am talking about, and i think eyesign exists but not in the capacity you may think.