I took 40 ybs for their 8th toss about 20 mls  they had beaten me home the the previous days, I   set them off at 3-50, and sat in garden waiting  at 7pm I got worried at 8-10 1 arrived on its own , from then till 10-20 they dropped in singles and doubles. 1 arrived with no tail and 1 with leg nearly detached another with a puncture wound in its side . 16 missing , is this really worth it??????  :emoticon-0179-headbang: