Roland

Sorry I'll write slower next time, as I forgot you aint a fast resader 'Me'... not by any stretch of the imagination. Take note of comma's and full stops 'me' and atry there's a good laddie lol

Yep Birdman, breed more every year to counteract the losses. Time, I believe, that you and countless others stood back and had a good look at ypourselves, and think why this is so. Outside of 'Flyaway, I think 30 is more than enough to fly both routes and have too many at seasons end. Probably you are into incest regards the breeding of your pigeons, prehaps it's just a couple or even one line only that produces anything any good and the rest are 'Junk' as you say... and if your losses are high, then like many others, I'm afrraid you hit the nail on the head 'Junk'! Look at the Opposition. If, like our fed, it is the smal team flyer excelling year in and year out. Bet yours is got a fair % of them too. Enough which ever way thouh and what you are prepared to accept. Your money, time and ezpense so no need for others to poke a nose it I guess.

Well, when does realise that a cup can only hold amounts till Brimful! Will never ever hold more and that's a simple fact.Likewise pigeons. Then a simple realisation that any and all excess is discarded. Which should lead to the reality that any and everything in moderation. That what is not needed is irrelevant. That it is a science to take away and replace, especially to improve and not do any damamge. A pigeon is pefect for what it is and does. Feeds of even fish and chips means that ferals are ofeten in first class condition. The natural feed has to be the best. Bison, rhino's elelphants etc. grow real powerful on grass and twigs etc. Likewise Whales etc. on Plankton. When are we going to feed fish algae to our birds. Why isn't grass etc. good for the birds! Rabbit pellest etc. are supposedly brill... When the Enzines can take care of it!

These Clocks have no moving parts ... and there fore very little if any maintaince needed. I'd wager now - as then that if the affluent, money makers, had a reason or cause to have their ---- besides an advantage - they would be in every loft today. That I believe is nigh a certainty. But Money would have been lost ... by other concerns.

Remember well the 'Solar Clock' and the hassle trying to introduce them. Was good enough for 'Space' etc. whee it was put into place with great effect. Guaranteed not to lose of gain a second PER YEAR! Cost *! about a 1/5th of the new ones - last tried in 1986 to be put into use. Less than a decent second hand one! It was thrown out each time ... I was at the meeting the East Midlands meeting the last time I recall it not being entertained! Why! Well one can only speculate that position / money talks louder than what is best for all where it don't suit certain parties.

I had 8/9 pairs maggies ... two nests got took over by crows, which meant 4 pairs of them. Now have a couple of Sparrow hawks less than a 200 yards away. So I hung a row of CD's u on a string back of house ... only ever see them after a few dull days. Loft often like a colourfull disco when sun hits. No nest now ether Maggies or Crows, and only see a pair of crows once in a while .... hawks moved them on - yeah I know and have seen the crows bomb and chase the hawks... yill hawks serious or viaing for food - pigeons loft of 1000 odd across the road. HoHold a cd in hand - when given chance and sun is out - and reflect the light at the maggies or crows ... they up and away.

Why should they drop ... nowt ever has... especially in past - times / sports etc. Think you live in cchou land Mick. It is no more than a sweetener, and will soon be forgotten. Whay haven't other countries expeirenced a drop when more bought... instead of a stead and regular price increase. Drop my aunt... pants more like to the silvery moon lol.

Yep cut the tabbacco stalks, every time for me.

An air gun. a ferret in a wire cage on the lawn. They can help going fo it. Wll sit on top well long enough.

Sorry ... was other here once fantasti inducements... should have read. 'Was offered here - not long back - fantastic inducements...

Geraint Parry don't believe they will drop ... was other here once fantasti inducements to entice us before.... But if that was the cas, surely with all the other COUNTRIES that they sell to the cost is as low as they want to be... will only go up I asertain within a year I'd wager, when we are able to have them. Seen from the Thatchers questions and privatisation, everything is in real terms a darn site dearer, and this is especially so when the average working hour rate is adhered to. ... Like selling of the Railways real cheap to enable te improvemnets etc. And we the TAX PAYER are bolstering it up now with our money even more... and can one really say they are a sucess now! Golly in even the war years when in black outs, they ket time. Snow rain or wind didn't stop them. Are dare one really suggest that when held by the ball's - as THATCHER said to Scargill - the rest of the body follows. Now rest assured price will go up.

Been Faroes. East route has been flown, and some do still I believe. I personally loved it when through F & M we were force to go that way. Just see all the different names at the top. Didn't we see eek in week out, the name they took it a their right to be there, letter every week in the 'Rags'. I tell you, the letter with still wet from the tears they cried, and some were so called 'Names' lol. Like the Most westernly piont of Ireland has a great leveller of distance, just depends - as usual - which way the wind blew on the day .... they don't like that one either lol. Won't get past of course ... well has been last season, but we never flew it like

It is more what people percieve that it will - wrong or wrongly - firstly take away and deter their enjoyment as they see it. It is a realistic truth that only the better position and better off persons they will be able to afford, and or able to have due to their lofts being in a secure place. and many will have to keeping taking and charging batteris etc. etc. etc. Over the last 6 years I have had many a debates, and all pro ET's, whether Canada, The Usa and here, YES ALL, just spout with their fingers in their ear' about the 20 - 100 odd reasons why it is a good thing. What they all fail - selfishly - to take aboard is the real fears and beliefs of the anti. The odd few they do take aboard are they ones they think they can smarily answer. Don't bother trying to sell to the converted. 98% of all fanciers, here and abroad know the good things and reasons for them being installed. Try for once the 'Pro Mob' and listen to the 'Grass roots' of our sports, the MAIN mobb that fil the coffers of the more afflable and LISTEN instead of spouting and insulting. PERHAS some may even be able to come up with solutions. I have had first hand knowleagde both here and abroad! Are they a good thing... of course, would Ivote for them No, not in the next 10 years. But money means they WILL e here long before that. End of discussiona as far as I am concened because I've trod that road for far too long to waste time trying to put sensible aguments to many with cloth ears.

A friend 20 miles up the road converted two 2 years back. Brilliant job, and very wll thought out. I will try and get a photo for you this week all being well.

Can't see, or believe there is an *expletive removed sign there as I never wrote a swear word or degrading comment etc. Still must be above my thinking somewhere lol.

PeterPau, that is a rather silly and bias, post. And negative if you think it would *expletive removed* a point to be changed. As far as I see, and am aware that is the very silly comment that makes them dig their heels in more. May I suggest that be because 'Ideals' don't suit you, or your way of thinking, that you curb your tongue and not insult others because they think different than you! I agree they are a good thing... but what they precieve to be is what one has to combat, and them senseless remarks, that obviously don't and can't achieve any thing are best left to insult others in your own circles.

Bruno Pierre Dordin use a light aircrft to follow his birds from Training, and there has, andpersumably still are data involving Micro tracking ... Seen camara's on hawks etc. so who knows ...

Well said P.J. ... and they would exonerate and show them in a good light MANY more times than in a bad one I'd wager. Mr. breaman has a cracking article purely on Liberations etc. I once advocated that ALL should read it, and not just the convoyers.

Yes of course Video. photos too, but surely it is as simple, and times better for a Video.

Remember well when two top National clubs bah hoo - ed it out... and not so long ago at that either! Personally I believe it's a great, realistic, besides a very sensible move and wish all power to their elbow. Who knows perhaps the NFC AND MNFC will follow suit. Can't for love or money – and I love both lol - why they have objected before. Shows only to well the minds of so - called leaders / committee, people on our top tables why the sport - largely because of them as such - is in decline with all the negative, and often for selfish reason hold back logical progress. You can't stand still, you either move forward or backwards, and time waits for no man!

Garlic is flately not liked by pigeons, in any way shape or form, so of course their intake is as little as need be. Less Fluid, firmer droppings, lose wieght and tighten up etc. But the added incentives are that it is like Penicillan in reverse, and great protector that is a great help to their immune system.

Duns v's shallie etc you mean I tek kit

Below is an explanation where magnetite comes from. It is found in small quantities in migrating animals, e.g. pigeons. I don't believe feeding magnetite to pigeons will make them home better but I believe since it is a mineral it won't do them any harm. Here it is: ( Compton's Encyclopedia) The Earth's History Told in Rocks The rocks tell a fascinating story of the origin and history of the Earth--a story that goes back millions of years. They tell of giant explosions; of mountains that rose from the sea and then were worn down to plains; of seas that invaded the land and then retreated or dried up. They tell of blankets of ice and of buried forests that turned to stone. The scientists who can read this story of the Earth are called geologists. (See also Earth; Geology.) All rocks fall into one of three groups, according to how they were formed. These groups are igneous, sedimentary, and metamorphic rocks. How Igneous Rocks Are Formed The word igneous comes from the Latin ignis, meaning "fire." Igneous rocks were never actually on fire, but they were formed from very hot molten material. Igneous rocks were the first rocks. The Earth in its beginning was a mass of molten matter, or magma. It contained the elements, which are the building blocks of all matter. As the magma cooled and condensed, its elements combined to form minerals. Oxygen and silicon, for example, are the two most common elements. They combine to form quartz, one of the most abundant of the minerals. A different combination of elements produces the mineral feldspar. Scientists know about 1,500 minerals. The only ones that occur in large enough masses to be important as rock builders, however, are quartz, feldspar, and a group called the ferromagnesian minerals. This group includes hornblende, pyroxene, biotite (black mica), olivine, and magnetite. They are dark because they contain iron and magnesium. How Magma Becomes Rock Igneous rocks are still being formed from pockets of magma some 40 miles underground. Magma is a hot, doughy material mixed with gases and steam. It rises along cracks in the Earth's crust. If it solidifies before it reaches the surface it forms an intrusive igneous rock. If it is thrown out by volcanic action, it forms an extrusive igneous rock. The separation of mineral ore particles from waste or from other minerals is made possible by such properties as the specific gravity or magnetic susceptibility of the minerals. Mineral particles that are very small are usually separated by the use of special machines containing a fluid, such as water. The most important methods for separating or classifying ores with the use of a fluid are the gravity, flotation, and sink-float processes. A jig is a type of gravity concentrator in which grains of ore lie on a screen submerged in water. The water receives impulses from a reciprocating plunger. This causes the grains to be placed in suspension and sorted according to their specific gravities. The heavy grains sink onto the screen; the light grains float. In the flotation method, the finely ground ore is mixed with water and fed into a tank, or flotation cell, which contains some chemicals. The mixture is agitated, and air is blown into the tank to form bubbles. The mineral grains adhere to the bubbles and rise to the top of the tank. This concentrate is skimmed off, filtered, and dried. The remaining waste material is drawn off for disposal in a tailings pond. In the sink-float process, the ground ore is fed into a cone-shaped tank containing a water mixture and a dense medium such as magnetite. The mixture is agitated by revolving paddles. The material having a higher specific gravity than the magnetite tends to sink and is drawn off through a nozzle at the bottom. The material having a lower specific gravity floats and is removed at the surface. In a magnetic separation process, the minerals are separated as they pass between the poles ofstrong electromagnets. Among the minerals which can be separated magnetically from waste or from other ores are iron-bearing magnetite and pyrrhotite.

Just answered my own question. Double yolk eggs are the result of two different ova being released by hens whose laying cycle is not yet hormonally synchronized. Hatchibility of these eggs is very low. Not enough room for both chicks to survive. Check the following link. http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/poultry/ces/educators.html Therefore no genetically identical twins.

Well, if you are a jack of all trades and no expert on anything(..lol) one needs to get the required information from somewhere. The quickest place is the encyclopedia and if it is important enough you search further. Here is another passage on homing ability out of Comptons. ------------- Many species of birds--such as pigeons, sparrows, and bobolinks--as well as some fish--such as yellow fin tuna--and honeybees, and even bacteria, have been known to migrate by orienting themselves to the Earth's magnetic fields. Researchers have found tiny crystals of a magnetic ore, magnetite, in the tissues of these animals that presumably help them navigate in this way. However, it is believed that birds in particular do not migrate by the polarity of the magnetic fields, but rather by detecting and then using the angle between the lines of the magnetic field and the horizontal plane of the Earth as guides. --------------------------------------------------------- Excerpted from Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia Copyright © 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ---------------------- Above is only a theory same as other theories some of us believe to be correct. Scientists have found that several species of animals have magnetite in their tissues according to above. I believe feeding magnetite as a supplement does not make them home any better because there is more involved than magnetite in their tissues. I believe the scientists have not found yet what makes pigeons home the way they do although there are a lot of theories on this subject. In some of your mineral and vitamin supplements you may have a low-level of magnetite mixed in with all other essential minerals and vitamins a bird needs but just feeding it magnetite for the purpose of increasing homing ability is a waste of money, I believe. Never fed magnetite and never would even consider it. I believe a champion quite often is a champion despite of what it is fed or how it is handled. If a bird is not born with champion qualities it does not matter what we do it will never become a champion.