Roland

As Alf Baker said of the Workmens. As louella stated 'you can't guarantee winners, but improve the chances .... '

Not really Chrissy, because that would mean it goes straight in, up and out, which would give no circulation whatsoever. The air comes in via say the botom, HITS the Back of the loft, and and then goes out at the top centre. Circulation means just that, that the vents should cause the air to circle, thus taking 90 odd percent of the air in the loft, out of the loft whilst giving a constant supply of fresh clean air.

Jim Biss's Natrix won at 50 miles right through....

Just place air vents all around now, and wire mesh the inside. Same half way up the front, the a flight / trap.

Youngster would be thin, sprawney and crap. I tried it - like many other things. Even with a little Whey and they just same, or got toxic poisoning. 21% protein for youngsters, maples / Tics etc. are a good basis. Now if racing, well then just need extra protein to repair muscles and tissues etc.

Had a dark chequer youngster in from the Netherlands. Owner didn't wanna spend money on it's return. So said keep it and he'd send the card etc. So trained it with my y/b's and it came well. Tossed it just before the first race 50 miles with the others and never sa it again. Informed it had returned home. This scenario often happens in this country too.

System and contentment and management, providing the birds wants to home.

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Eric Limbourg says "the moviation of the man is more important than the moviation of the pigeon'' that sums up the main difference between wanting to win, and happy to keep pigeons and fly a few races...

Chrissy, Alf Bakers birds via Louella excelled and won National in Belgium. Our second International winner, and of course National Pau winner is pure Louella bred, from St. Vincent, Invincable spirit, Smagd 1 and 11. and Stamvater is possiblely the greatest stud of all time, the Northern dancer of the pigeon world. 1000's of Fed winners and club winners etc. are and have been from Louella stock. Likewise most Jansenns in this country, and Bussearts etc. are from Louella stock! etc. etc.

Well I'd say that ANY good breeders are kept by Both Louella and Stu.... they both want their customers to have winners.But of course there is a price that would suffice.... but I'd say out of reach of us mortal men lol

Not true mucker, they can't bring in rules that override, omitt their rules etc. But any club / Fed can bring in rules that co -- exist, or run with theirs. Indeed every local law runs in conjuction with, or doesn't contravene the RPRA rules. Then they are binding and law abiding. Indeed would be enforced by the RPRA if any person fell foul of them!

Yes half decent being the operative word. Yes some genuine fanciers I'd trust and feel they were 100% ... But they's probably breed you a pair only. Can't see many letting go of anything they deem as pretencious 'Breeders' of merit. I be happy with Louella after all they have breed National and international winners for some and FED and Club winners galore for many! JMO

The 'Goldern Pair' are so elusive that they are seldom seen. Nearest you'd get is fallen apples .... nearer the tree the better! But no they are sold often. And in an entire clearance sale, they are mostley already spoken for or sold WAY before the sale, let alone 'Give Away'. JMO Again I agree with Frank.

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Yeah the part that says that is groudless I believe ... likewise the smell .... diferent times / seasons have different smells etc. And would have to be a good sniff to get through a cold wind in the channel etc. lol

Just single toss it when someone is going their way. Or tell him that you will be sending it back via Amtrak, C. O .D.

one must keep changing the 'Remedy' used as canker gets immuned to it very very quickly ... like after twice, and as there are at least 30 different strains....

Pigeon man ... they are still the best producing 'TOP Winners' to - day. Never mind about %, way over 90% of the total of all the other Merchants sellers are duds, and crap too. That is pigeons, and the Man that flies them, and their set up, locations also bear a part. Bet thoses that you say do no god with then, the majority didn't, don't, or wouldn't with any other persons birds either.

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Two things, I believe that it's good if it offsets the cost of the 'Running of the site' for Richard, and believe as such he has every right! Yes I agree, not necessarily just on here, but overall EVERY where pigeaons are over priced, and yes far far to much crap sold ... as 'Names' off load the crap they purchased that did no good. And the Crap flyers Legends' in their own mind are endorsed by 'Names' that should, indeed do know better.

Drift! Seems you are high and drifting above Venus at the moment ... Is it a long way back down! Indeed will his mind ever return?

Good luck chrissy ...

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