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May have it's merit, certainly could bear merit, but feel one would still be picked out.... Now a little salt and lard on it's head and neck, or Rhubarb juice on it's head when ever out of the loft, or when training ... Now we know that are very detrimental and a proven detterent regards any future attacks.

Is 30 miles east to west and North to South. We won't be working on any breaking points.... I hate for my pigeons to be flying miles of course, and out of their way most weeks - depending on strength and direction of winds. But of course as we nothing there is no such thing... just an fesist to please and believe we are helping the birds.... When of course the main thing is getting miles under their wings and fit and conditioned. But that is another topic I guess.

Geo, what you and many say and deem is that because Witter was to you and them an boring fighter and not a 'Crowd pleaser' he didn't deserve the merit / credit due and as such distract and belittle his sheer class. Hatton also used that arguement to shield the realism and truth. I.e. is was far too good for him and would have definately had knocked him out within 5 rounds tops. Often it it is said 'Too good for their own Good' and in this scenario that was certainly true. Mind good luck to Hatton and his £millions, he earn them, if one can make a case of the 'Purses' being paid. Any way this has run it's course as far as I can see, so I think we will have to agree to disagree eh!.

GEO1234 Let's get real here, Hatton manafactured a shot and Witter ducked no one and deserved a shot. Any good champ, especially a class one ducks no one and certainly doesn't shy away from ligit opponent and then use flumsy excuses. the reality is that Witter was a class or two better than Hatton ever was... A bore to watch etc. granted and big mistake was telling it how it was... Hatton was chicken and not good enough to share the same ring. I remember greats that fought any one... McGowan V Rudkin - who has sadly passed away, Charnley, Another great Scot Ken Buchannon AND Chic Calderwood. Then outside of Cooper who ducked any and everyone look at the Heavies in the 50's and 60's that fought world Class opponents. Richardson V London Erskine etc. Bygreaves who fought the Zola Folly's and Machen and Ingamar Johnhasson etc. Gilroy, Percy Kid lewis... Spinks, then the present crop like Calzaghe who afetr ducking Froch - As Froch sat quietly aside and just stated 'When he's ready I will get it on' etc. and then rather than fight him Calzaghe packed up, without achieving the record he wanted so bad... THEN bad mouths Froch off bigtime after he ducked / bottled it etc. Like Froch said 'I'll donate my purse to any charity he care to name and fight him ... AS DID Witter when Hatton tried to say there wasn't enough money in it for him Like Witter said Have my purse win or lose... Bottle job I'm afraid. Not like Pac man who would / will fight ANYone!

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Unifacation fight! castillo collazo Who? how old was he, and what was his record. look at the ease with which Mosley cruised past Collazo Beating Urango -Castillo-Collazo-Tszyu was achieved by hugging because he could not beat them without holding. And remember that Castillo had a broken hand from round two onwards! In your opinion, which fighters spring to mind for blatantly ducking other fighters and who would you rate as the worst 3? Three examples of ducking I’d give would be… Lewis vs Bowe Bowe publicly ditched the belt in the bin because he didn’t want to face the mandatory challenger, which happened to be our Lennox. Likewise Hatton with Witter and Calzaghe with Froch.... Don't blame him lol Hatton vs Witter enough said. And the 'Nearly Man' Calzaghe! near fought a body of class, or one breathing, but never did. Can anyone imagine Duran or Hagler Monzon, Grithiths Both 'Sugars' Hearns, Duran not wanting to give someone a payday? They were bigger men than this - the list is endless. So Witter had to wait till next year then the next and the next and like he stated 'the fact is Hatton wasn't good enough to share the same ring with him. He thought doing his own thing, keep winning and the big fights will fall into place. As WBC Champ, Ring Belt No 2, and unbeaten in 8 years, he already brought plenty to any table in the tough, tough world of professional boxing. Hard luck on Witter (when he wins in a canter,) Don't let the Hatton fans confuse him. It' was his job/prerogative to call out the highest ranked fighters in his division. Which he did, but the media crucfied him. every time he had an opportunity to do this on national television. It's ok praising Hattons performance against Collazo, fine, as Collazo was no chump, but look at the ease with which Mosley cruised past Collazo, hence compared to other top fighters in the division I'm not sure Hatton cut any mustard. At welterweight I actually think he was quite a weak fighter and just wasn't big enough, there are a ton of guys I'd pick to beat him. I think if it's ledgers you want to talk about Miguel Cottos last five at that time was far far superior to either hattons or mayweathers. Regarding the case in hand, should Hatton have fought witter? Why not is what I say, Witters was a good fighter, as good as any other champion in that division, and with his power and awkward style had probably, along with Malignaggi, the best chance of beating Hatton at LWW. that is why they ducked him! Would it be a nice fight to watch? Probably not. Would it be box office? It would sell out the MEN, so as big as box office as any fight that Hattons was ever in I guess. Would Hatton have gone the distance.... no way! But then he knew that, and he certainly does still and hates the memory that 85% of those in the know knew he wasn't the real McCoy and ducked him .... only consolation being he has enough money now, and £MILLIONS he wouldn't have had probably. So he took that to the bank and puts a wad under his pillow every night to help him sleep lol.

Yep, I see the 'media' has done a good job lol. Unforetunately it can - like many great debates - never be proven. As for never fighting for a title... Were they given him on walk overs? Of course not! But beat the best that the Boards merited out.... So they was all class. By the way, Mayweather turned Witter down twice. Yes of course - again - he was confident he'd win.... But wouldn't risk it and the lost money if he was beaten. That Ghanian a has been Think you haven't checked his record.

Well Hatton had bottle and grit and wore his heart on his sleeve, and would personally - I believe - would fight anyone at the drop of a hat, I'm sure you would agree, so it wasn't that he was scared to shut this horrid Witter up for once and for all.... But commonsence prevailed. That's why Hatton never won a British title, or even a European tittle, and only the 'Corn flake pkt ones HE never fought for one! ... check out the has beens and never were that he fought. His pride would have wanted to shut up Witter, who actually won every title from British to World titles and AGAINST the 'Man' that was that held them!. Good management prevented it Hatton from over stepping his mark, and won him £Millions, think £30,000,000 in fact. THAT Is why the first line Hatton states when doing any press, or 'A night with Hatton' (For Money) states to paying guests 'I won't answer any question regards Witter. Hatton wouldn't even fight him when Witter was over the hill and aged 38 saying that he 'Bad Mouthed Me' what a joke! That is what makes interest and fights and money! Like Calzaghe.... the Americans called him the 'Nearly Man' he nearly fought a good opponent. He nearly fought a class opponent, He nearly fought a great champ.... etc. etc. But never did! Of course, as everyone in the game knows Witter was classes above Hatton, more importantly so did he and HIS MANAGEMENT!

Hope that is 50p lol Very unlikely the fight will come of. Not even as a swan song for a big pay day to end their careers on. Both have a reputation they want to keep. For instance Maywhether say about 'Drug testing' etc. Of couPac Man has took very many and never been found to have any in system.... But then Mayweather fights Mossley who has be caught with drugs in his system and banned for it. Like Hatton would never fight Junior Witter, of course not it would have cost him £millions when he got K.O.ed. Cazagle always had 'Bad hands' when down to fight a credited fighter of worth , and there are many.... Yes anazingly never did when fighting inferior fighters or 'Has Beens'. etc. Would have cost him dear. Where as the Frochs, Eubanks, Benn, Laing, Honeyford, Chanley, Far, London - Not Cooper of course - etc. etc. etc would fight anyone even in their back yard. Mayweather would be a mite too much for Pac man i fear.... but wants easier fights for same money, and with this hype, they will both get them, for it builds up interest and support for both of them. Been done for yonks and will be for years to come. JMO

Not enough Scots interested in going ... and most can't appreciate 'Good Football' lol Mind I suppose that figiures as they seldom ever see any ... unless a few English finish their playing careers there to do them a good turn LOL

Realism I fear there.

Yep when we look at 'Price and Stock and pedigrees' etc. one most have at the foremost in mind that 90% of Stockbirds will breed culls at least, and of those that breed a good one or two will still breed 90% culls.

Tough one that. Think I would look at what the 'Performances' were of the parents, and what loft. Of course if I'd bought in stock birds, I know I have to have 3 years to see what id what with them ... But again, if I had 6 from a mate, I know that they were pretty good too or I wouldn't have them in first place. So would judge parents on A. What type of system they were raced on and B. what distance and any hard day birds. C. Those bred from stock would be a little behind there I fear. So if the given ones were from good performing birds at the distance etc. They are the ones I'd retain. Maybe 3 cocks from one and three hens from the other if really level on pointers.

Poison means they will got to ground and rot.... stinking the place out. Mind I used to sprinmle cement on porridge oats and leave in pipes. Rats and mice won't go past a pipe hole. Birds can't get at the poison of course. Think I'd leave the 'Glue Paper' out at night with a brick on edges to wieght it down ... a little peanut butter dropped in the middle. Good luck.... they have to be got shot of for the birds will suffer bad, not least picking up their droppings. Country Stores - google it - are sublime with help and ideas. Give them a ring, or Email.

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that the Mile record from 1954 - first under 4 minutes by Roger Bannister -was broken 17 times and Half of them was by one country in the next 30 years! Namely the UK.

We are supposed to be only interested in keeping a 'No Fly Zone'. Didn't take long for the bombs to be dropped - killing indiscrimatly. As I forecast, TROOPS will soon be deployed on ground for some B.S. reason ... Not the fact to get and control the oil. We are now - before this shinbargo - borrowing far more than the Labour government ever did.../. Which was to save the ‘Banks’, which was, ENDORSED not only worldwide, but the Conservatives.... £175 Billion, which without having to do would have meant we were in the Black. This Government is nigh on £2000 billion and rising fast regardless of stealing from the workers to place millions of pounds into the rich man's pockets. Like curbing Council expenditure... meaning outside contracts can promise whatever, and only - as they do - actually provide a 1/5th. Yes the private bods are giving themselves up to £6 millions pay packets of Taxpayers money!

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Spot on. Yes London.

Reminds one of 'Greyfairs Bobby'.

Harlem? No! Maddison square garden??? No.... maybe where very many titles have been won.... but via fighters from all over the globe and nationalities.

No not Puerto Rico .... Not by a long way.

Has produced the most World boxing Champions on this earth? Will give answer tomorrow lol.

And Stamvater Producer. and the Lengendry Stamvater was certainly that! Mind you won't find EyeSign as there is no such thing over there. Yes they have you would call 'Maters' wher certain so-called gentlemen have the knack of picking and mating ones birds. No they don't look at the eyes, but do make good money and apparently with quite good results. Stef Van Reet for instance - reportedly - only handled a bird and chose what he wanted to buy or not... Mind I feel (Personally) that he'd done some homework and was visiting / Buying from good fancier's stock.