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theres a few school of thoughts about pairing on a new moon as birds can coo and call well into the night helping them pair up better , other idea is ybs hatch on a full moon so birds can feed there young :-/

http://www.everythingforpets.com/de_scheemaeker_natural_naturaline.pet/use.id.5.item_id.619.dept.113/ http://pigeons.taylorschoice.co.uk/products/162663_naturaline_-_de-schee_1ltr.php

was a hint at belated christmas pressy lol ;D ;D ;D ;D

never tried that one bet its hard to get hold of down here but christmas is coming up lol ;D ;D ;D

all the best whiskeys have Glen in front

tammy1 should know or clocky , a associate of mine took 9 1st at a show could ask him but wont need corn for quite a while now ;D ;D ;D ;D

and cheaper ones as well

i advise you use the brewers yeast and enchinea by natural naturline to replace the ultimate be a dam sight cheaper and it will work

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea#Medicinal_effects its a good virus stopper and been around for hundreds of years so nothing new

it will when you moisten the corn can use various things half a juiced lemon or orange , or can use fresh orange juice or jif lemon or oil but i dont like using oils after the moult i use half a fresh squeezed lemon

no sorry coloumbine i get 3 at a time as there cheapest http://www.everythingforpets.com/colombine_vitaminised_beer_yeast.pet/use.id.5.item_id.581.dept.112/

brewers yeast 3 times a week 1 spoonfull per 1 kg of corn very cheap molases twice a week before and after racing 1 table spoon to 4 pints water

just read with a flow should of read : unrung tipplers for sale £10 a pair or £6 each

https://www.feedem.co.uk/horse-117/horse-care-supplements-147/naf-products-137/naf-molasses-5-litre-1388.htm

dearer for unrung ones ?

can get mollases for horses in a 5 litre bottle alot cheaper ( think im right this time ) but i just get tins from supermarket

i usualy put two table spoons to 8 pints so one large spoonfull to the adverage drinker rember if using vitamins let cool down or will kill the vitamins hence why i prefer the brewers yeast on the corn and contains everything they need and esential amino acids as well probably the cheepest way to give vits to birds

Black treacle just add to hot water

i still use the mollases suppose to be good for keeping worms at bay dont know if its right but read many years ago that it was used in the past for worms and funnly enough in tests no worms present :-/

well after i have been using Aviform Ultimate and Origo-stim and i think both not that good i have swapped to this at least its proven and alot cheaper and as for vitamins im just using brewers yeast has everything your birds need i did like the old Aviform on the molasses base much better

i thought it was 100ml

oops my mistake i thought the natural was a 100ml need to go and get my eyes tested , if its good enough for horses is good enough for birds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea#Medicinal_effects

http://www.feedem.co.uk/horse-117/horse-care-supplements-147/naf-products-137/echinacea-liquid-supplement-1307.htm

i think theres cheaper horse versions of it and ill be using it next year

kirky may know as he went both days