started with 24 natural ybs 2 trainers at 6 mile moved on to 15 mile roughly 15 chucks one 20 miler then on the training van roughly 55 miles 3rd chuck in hit a stinker took all day to work in 6 out over night, must of had 9 or 10 of these chucks before first race which is 70 miles second race 70 miles third race 92 miles fourth race 120 miles then stopped for next year, lost 2 from the bad toss 1 after the first race when training 1 from the 3rd race, 1 hit wires disposed of, 1 training well but when let out in morning sitting out all day no good to anybody, prizes taken first race last second race 3rd 567th 3rd race second last 4th race 2nd won noms twice same pigeon still have 18 left, we were lucky loads of pigeons lost in those 4 races.