Protection for buyers

[Guest]

Whatever we think we all know that at times there are people that will make statements to sell birds that are not true. The problem as I see it is that people can assume various identities and be a different 'character' on each alias. I would like to see with anyone putting birds for sale, their name and address and if they claim particular performances the name of the club that they put those performances up in.

OK they can lie about their address details but there's a fair network on here where it should in most instances be possible to identify the seller and if he's not identifiable, then there is great cause for doubt?

I would like the webmaster to introduce a rule where any seller must provide their personal details. The BHW has done this and I think it has removed a lot of ambiguous adverts

[Guest]

bang on albear think thats a step in the right direction and maybe stop things happening the likes of what happened to doveyscot

[Guest j v ward]

yes i agree with albear

[Fair Play]

Excellent post

[Guest j.bamling]

Yes totally agree sellers should have nothing to hide !!

[EAGLEOWL]

Whatever we think we all know that at times there are people that will make statements to sell birds that are not true. The problem as I see it is that people can assume various identities and be a different 'character' on each alias. I would like to see with anyone putting birds for sale, their name and address and if they claim particular performances the name of the club that they put those performances up in.

OK they can lie about their address details but there's a fair network on here where it should in most instances be possible to identify the seller and if he's not identifiable, then there is great cause for doubt?

I would like the webmaster to introduce a rule where any seller must provide their personal details. The BHW has done this and I think it has removed a lot of ambiguous adverts

 

agree albear ,but then the seller will always state breeds winners ,then theres the security side of things ,placing names and addresses is not a good idea in todays world of fraud also for the unwanted attention there lofts might gain when advertising birds of top quality ,

 

 

[DOVEScot]

Whatever we think we all know that at times there are people that will make statements to sell birds that are not true. The problem as I see it is that people can assume various identities and be a different 'character' on each alias. I would like to see with anyone putting birds for sale, their name and address and if they claim particular performances the name of the club that they put those performances up in.

OK they can lie about their address details but there's a fair network on here where it should in most instances be possible to identify the seller and if he's not identifiable, then there is great cause for doubt?

I would like the webmaster to introduce a rule where any seller must provide their personal details. The BHW has done this and I think it has removed a lot of ambiguous adverts

 

I agree that you should only be able to sell anything on the site if you are willing to supply personal details

Buyers need these details anyway to send the payment,

Regards the argument of internet fraud stealing these details if you post them on the site, it is no different from the electoral register that is used by every telesales company in the world

Loft numbers are a problem as some of us don't have one yet, and members that keep show birds do not have one

example would be

Duncan Reid

AKA DOVEScot

3 Cadham Crescent

KY7 6PG

What's the problem with that if you have nothing to hide

If you have anything worth stealing then theres a lot easier ways than on the site to do it

[Guest]

whats the problem with anything address etc if you are genuine seller then lets see all them that say they are put it to the test  

[ALF]

WHY NOT DO WHAT ANDY GALLEY DOES OVER ON PIGEON CHAT AND MAKE ALL THE SEELERS PAY A FEE BEFORE THEY CAN SELL ANYTHING AND THEN YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE SELLING AND IF THEY START THERE CRAP IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO BOMB THEM OOT ;)

[Guest]

WHY NOT DO WHAT ANDY GALLEY DOES OVER ON PIGEON CHAT AND MAKE ALL THE SEELERS PAY A FEE BEFORE THEY CAN SELL ANYTHING AND THEN YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE SELLING AND IF THEY START THERE CRAP IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO BOMB THEM OOT ;)

 

THAT TAKES YOU OUT THE FRAME THEN HOW YI GONNA MOOCH YIR DOOS NOW

[Guest]

Alf, why charge, someone who wants to con , may say its worth paying x amout to the site  to make double x. And besides it's a great facility for everyone, why spoil it let's just improve it. In terms of giving your address, if you fly birds it's pretty easy to locate the loft when they are out flying and your at more risk from anyone in your locality

[EAGLEOWL]

 

I agree that you should only be able to sell anything on the site if you are willing to supply personal details

Buyers need these details anyway to send the payment,

Regards the argument of internet fraud stealing these details if you post them on the site, it is no different from the electoral register that is used by every telesales company in the world

Loft numbers are a problem as some of us don't have one yet, and members that keep show birds do not have one

example would be

Duncan Reid

AKA DOVEScot

3 Cadham Crescent

KY7 6PG

What's the problem with that if you have nothing to hide

If you have anything worth stealing then theres a lot easier ways than on the site to do it

 

 

duncan i have known pigeon men have write ups done on them ,a couple of weeks later there birds have gone missing for two minutes of fame ,i for one would not put my name and address up due to the fact i have thousands of pounds worth of birds .i have been asked to have a article done on my pigeons before i have always declined .yes the majority of pigeonmen are honest people but you will always get a scum bag in all walks of life, as for using your details in fraud i dont think there after your loft number.

 

i have never sold a pigeon in my life ,i am more then happy with my birds i dont buy pigeons if they win they win if im bottom of the sheet so what its a hobby people chasing rainbows never get there ,yes theres some great sellers of honest pigeons ,but you rarely see such adverts as pigeons for sale total rubbish i cannot get them to win £100 each .

 

as i have stated before no one forces people to buy pigeons ,i have no problems with anyone selling pigeons ,yes  i understand people wanting verification as to some claims not a problem with that.

the trouble is many people spend big monies on pigeons they breed nothing and want to reclaim money back from these ,why do they sell them because they know someone will buy them .

 

i always state if its not good enough for me its no good for you

 

 

dont buy them

 

 

[Guest]

Eagle owl it's choice you don't want publicity your choice, however if people sell birds ( choice) they should be visible and held to account on any claims they make. I bought my last car on the internet but if I could not have verified the seller and car I wouldn't have. If I put a Carrera for sale on here for £10k 10000 miles two year old, no one in their right mind would agree to pay untill they could verify all details, what's the difference with birds for sale? Surely the same principle applies

[DOVEScot]

 

 

duncan i have known pigeon men have write ups done on them ,a couple of weeks later there birds have gone missing for two minutes of fame ,i for one would not put my name and address up due to the fact i have thousands of pounds worth of birds .i have been asked to have a article done on my pigeons before i have always declined .yes the majority of pigeonmen are honest people but you will always get a scum bag in all walks of life, as for using your details in fraud i dont think there after your loft number.

 

i have never sold a pigeon in my life ,i am more then happy with my birds i dont buy pigeons if they win they win if im bottom of the sheet so what its a hobby people chasing rainbows never get there ,yes theres some great sellers of honest pigeons ,but you rarely see such adverts as pigeons for sale total rubbish i cannot get them to win £100 each .

 

as i have stated before no one forces people to buy pigeons ,i have no problems with anyone selling pigeons ,yes  i understand people wanting verification as to some claims not a problem with that.

the trouble is many people spend big monies on pigeons they breed nothing and want to reclaim money back from these ,why do they sell them because they know someone will buy them .

 

i always state if its not good enough for me its no good for you

 

 

dont buy them

 

 

Fair doos

Does not matter what your birds are worth in pounds, becuase no matter what, it is all you have if something happens to them

8 white Logan's was for Chickadees birthday, the £160 was nothing to the let down and the feeling of being conned by someone, I see some birds on the site worth more than all eight birds and much more.

Surely you have to buy pigeons at one time or be given them the same as us just starting up

Scum bags would rob their Grannies for a pound not just us, at least if I have the address I can chap their doors

OK I never got the 8 white logans but I got 8 white birds and two coloured ones and a basket for my money some would say lucky me, and Chickadee has took them on board and will enjoy them.  also the great members on the site have given her birds and promised her birds. But that does stop me from wanting a meeting up with Coxy some day,

Best outcome so far is he is black listed, worst outcome he has made some of us paranoid about buying birds on the site

And if the site can be improved by better policing of sales then even better I would say

Duncan

[Guest]

why should anybody need to place all ur details on the site?,only the buyer/seller and web master needs to know ur address .

if u have any concerns about a flyer selling birds let the seller give u his/her secretarys number for u to ring and have info about the buyer/seller from them.

agree some sec,s maybe a friend of the seller/buyer ,so make them aware that any false info they give  if false may end in u contacting the union they are in.

if u r given a number contact the rpra or who ever to see if there is a club by that name and who the sec is+ number....paul.

[Guest]

Paul and how do you know the number you are given is that of a genuine club....try getting through to th WHU to find out, if you are genuine why would you not be prepared to give your details??

[solo]

i advertised some b,ham rollers for sale,mainly to cut down on stock,ihad 6 callers to the house,sold about 30 birds. two weeks after that i had the lot nicked ,over 70 birds+baskets.now if i sell anything itell them over the phone that i want id proof,passport,drivers licence,then when they come i take a photo of them ,and the car they come in,and make a point of telling them if the dog dont get em the gun will, HOPE YOUR READING THIS NUD.

[Guest]

Paul and how do you know the number you are given is that of a genuine club....try getting through to th WHU to find out, if you are genuine why would you not be prepared to give your details??

 

 

if u read my post u would see that i said ring the rpra or who ever to see if that if that is the club and the secs number....as some of u would know, i myself nearly fell for coxy,s lies once last year...but my little intelligence i have kicked in and i phoned the rpra to ask who was coxys club !!...he was in two and owed money to both...i got hold of one sec and she told me he was billy bull sh!tter!...as we now all know he is,,its horrible to have to check up on someone but its better then being caught out by someone like coxy,who i hope will get his day when it all catches up with him.....paul.

 

[Guest]

Paul I did, I was trying to point out it doesn't always work , what if the fancier is not known to the RPRA? Where would you go from there, somewhere along the way you need to be able to verify with the fancier. There may be birds advertised you really want to buy but it's Friday evening, you can't check with the RPRA, you have no details but his claims which seem to be pretty sound, your cooked. Whereas if details are provided you have a network on here you can check with almost immediately.

It will help you and me; and the genuine seller won't have a problem?

[Guest]

Solo sorry to hear that, but today you can produce duff ID easy; but if you give a duff addy then with racing pigeons y0u should be able to follow up on here

[kaybee]

Hate to admit it but I have also been shafted in the past and can only say this. If you don't do your homework, you'll not pass the tests. The minute people use a psuedonim(prob spelt wrong) in advert then im always suspicious. unless you actually do the groundwork and find out who they are, then just steer cleer. If you can see their results in black and white in the press then fair enough but at the end of the day there are con men in all walks of life and we need to minimise our chances of being robbed. Alf had a valid point about paying to advertise. If someone sends a cheque to pay for the right to advertise then that persons details are far more accessible and easier to prove for police/courts than just having someones address. I know the demands that running this website cant be that cheap and feel a nominal fee for advertising would not be out of place.  

[Guest]

Kaybee a fee to the site to support it is a diferent strand and I think if that helps the site no objection but its easy to cover financial tracks these days. you just need to secure the services of some one who'll take post.

[Guest]

I think there have been loads of valid points, however the bottom line is the best resource for policing sales and helping ourselves is our own community on here, we can help each other........... if you've nothing to fear you're not going to be afraid to post your details. And if you valid reasons that are acceptable to the wbmaster /moderators, someone in the community will be able to vouch for you and provide places for verification if you really need to keep your address secret......... but those in such a position are sadly vunerable anyway.

[kaybee]

I do hope that was you volunteering for the post mate

[Guest]

Which one??????????????????