Alkaline Products

Rainman · October 29, 2015

Just read an article not to feed your pigeons alkaline products as in garlic,cider vinegar,lemons found it interesting guy says that it comes through the droppings and the wood draws in the moisture and it causes a high ph level in loft what do fanciers think of this i found it interesting

Novice · October 30, 2015

Just read an article not to feed your pigeons alkaline products as in garlic,cider vinegar,lemons found it interesting guy says that it comes through the droppings and the wood draws in the moisture and it causes a high ph level in loft what do fanciers think of this i found it interesting

Apple cider vinegar and lemons are acidic. I don't know about garlic which I suspect will also be acidic. It looks as though there is a crossed wire somewhere.

Once I bought an alkaline product which was supposed to neutralise the buildup of lactic acid in the blood following a hard race. I used this product once and never again as the feather quality deteriorated within 24 hours of using it.

gulkie · October 30, 2015

Used cider vinegar and garlic for years and will keep on using

It regardless of what they say .

kingziemckay · October 30, 2015

Just read an article not to feed your pigeons alkaline products as in garlic,cider vinegar,lemons found it interesting guy says that it comes through the droppings and the wood draws in the moisture and it causes a high ph level in loft what do fanciers think of this i found it interesting

where did you read this article?maybe you could post it up?

bullcock · October 30, 2015

I just googled it and I'm more confured now than before, lol

We use Cider vinegar weekly also, some of the multi vitamins product I think are sweet / sugary, so CV keeps the gut balanced, a little bit of everything is best.

Dmurray · October 30, 2015

This came from a article on Facebook from show of your racing pigeon .

My method to keep my pigeons healthy.

I have raised pigeons for over 55 years. So what I'm about to lay out for you comes from years of experience breeding and racing pigeons. Many of you will not of heard this information from any source before because there is no profit in sharing this information other than sportsmanship. This simple understanding of "why" our pigeons get sick will save you hundreds of dollars in medication and give you more time to enjoy healthy pigeons.

Pigeons like any other living creature were meant to live in the wild. In domesticating them, we house them in contained lofts along with other loft mates, most times over crowding them with improper ventilation and improper food to sustain good health.

One of the most important things to provide to your pigeons is clean water as I have already described. Another is a stead supply of a variety of minerals 365 days a year. I don't feed packaged vitamins. A good source of commercial feeds again with as much variety as possible, changing brands often as to get grains grown in different fields. The same goes for the grit provided. Change brands often to get different minerals that are offered in the different brands and alway prepared for pigeons. The size of the grit prepared for pigeons is important. A large avery with plenty of sun exposure is important so as the pigeons can benefit from the sun and all it offers to promote warmth and good health. Rain baths are the best way to have the birds clean themselves because they done sit in or drink contaminated water. When ridding birds of pests I prefer handling each and every bird to administer bug repellents.

Now the most important point I can talk about is the PH level in the loft. This is where many of the flock diseases exists.

A healthy pigeon has acidic dropping. The healthiest of pigeons carry diseases in their droppings. Left unchecked in the wild they remain acidic and do not cause illness to pigeons. But when confined in a loft this is a problem waiting to happen. Reading the information that is offered in the many pigeon books, videos, by experts and word of mouth, we are left to conclude their advise is correct and we follow down that road. I have found that it is the pathway to disaster and to the medicine $ cabinet. Here is the gist of it. "Don't feed your pigeons anything that is alkaline". Keep your loft acidified. Google a list of alkaline foods and anything that appears on that list should not be fed to your pigeons. You are going to find lots of things on that list that are generally accepted as good for pigeons like garlic, lemons, lime apple cider vinegar and so on. Thought these items "do" have properties that can be useful to good health, the long term use in a pigeon loft is a time bomb and here is the "WHY". When feeding alkaline foods to domestic pigeons kept in a loft, the droppings will of course be alkaline. When the moist droppings hit the wood perch or floor, the wood absorbs the alkaline moisture and holds onto it. Over time the accumulation builds up until the PH balance is shifted to a neutral position. Add moisture from dampness of any source and you set the stage for outbreaks of disease. We have all seen this happen and wondered where the disease came from. Well it wasn't the new bird in the loft!

Novice · October 30, 2015

I doubt if the above article has much scientific basis. To me it is based on supposition much like most of the other pearls of wisdom posted on FB.

However it could be the article which the original poster quotes so thanks for posting.

Novice · October 30, 2015

Although I have never tested them my impression has always been that pigeon droppings contain urine which, in turn, contains ammonia and derivatives of ammonia and therefore must be alkaline.

Rainman · October 30, 2015

This came from a article on Facebook from show of your racing pigeon .

My method to keep my pigeons healthy.
I have raised pigeons for over 55 years. So what I'm about to lay out for you comes from years of experience breeding and racing pigeons. Many of you will not of heard this information from any source before because there is no profit in sharing this information other than sportsmanship. This simple understanding of "why" our pigeons get sick will save you hundreds of dollars in medication and give you more time to enjoy healthy pigeons.
Pigeons like any other living creature were meant to live in the wild. In domesticating them, we house them in contained lofts along with other loft mates, most times over crowding them with improper ventilation and improper food to sustain good health.
One of the most important things to provide to your pigeons is clean water as I have already described. Another is a stead supply of a variety of minerals 365 days a year. I don't feed packaged vitamins. A good source of commercial feeds again with as much variety as possible, changing brands often as to get grains grown in different fields. The same goes for the grit provided. Change brands often to get different minerals that are offered in the different brands and alway prepared for pigeons. The size of the grit prepared for pigeons is important. A large avery with plenty of sun exposure is important so as the pigeons can benefit from the sun and all it offers to promote warmth and good health. Rain baths are the best way to have the birds clean themselves because they done sit in or drink contaminated water. When ridding birds of pests I prefer handling each and every bird to administer bug repellents.
Now the most important point I can talk about is the PH level in the loft. This is where many of the flock diseases exists.
A healthy pigeon has acidic dropping. The healthiest of pigeons carry diseases in their droppings. Left unchecked in the wild they remain acidic and do not cause illness to pigeons. But when confined in a loft this is a problem waiting to happen. Reading the information that is offered in the many pigeon books, videos, by experts and word of mouth, we are left to conclude their advise is correct and we follow down that road. I have found that it is the pathway to disaster and to the medicine $ cabinet. Here is the gist of it. "Don't feed your pigeons anything that is alkaline". Keep your loft acidified. Google a list of alkaline foods and anything that appears on that list should not be fed to your pigeons. You are going to find lots of things on that list that are generally accepted as good for pigeons like garlic, lemons, lime apple cider vinegar and so on. Thought these items "do" have properties that can be useful to good health, the long term use in a pigeon loft is a time bomb and here is the "WHY". When feeding alkaline foods to domestic pigeons kept in a loft, the droppings will of course be alkaline. When the moist droppings hit the wood perch or floor, the wood absorbs the alkaline moisture and holds onto it. Over time the accumulation builds up until the PH balance is shifted to a neutral position. Add moisture from dampness of any source and you set the stage for outbreaks of disease. We have all seen this happen and wondered where the disease came from. Well it wasn't the new bird in the loft!

This is the article i read been trying for couple hours now to put it on here and cant lol thanks dmurry