RPRA

[THE FIFER]

to resign from an organisation u must put it in writing and before the election of the new officials,

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opps   THATS WHAT THEY DONE WRONG    

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[Guest]

 

If people at that meeting hadn't thought that the motion had been won, why did they then write to the BHW 'sad day for democracy, wishes of the majority ignored'? Did they intentionally set out to make public fools of themselves in the letters pages of the pigeon press where it was also made clear in responses that a 2/3 majority was required to carry this motion?

 

And I'm sure a report on the meeting also said that it had to be pointed out that a 2/3 majority was required. Again, I wasn't there, you were. I am posting recollections of 'letters to and reports in the press' following that meeting. There appears to be differing accounts from those who were there.  

 

 

Surely Bruno you have heard the old chestnut advising one to stop digging when in your in a hole.

 

Your right there is two accounts your imagined one and the correct one that people like me who were at the meeting are familiar with.

 

The vote was taken and the club's auditor tallied the votes did a quick calculation and advised the President the motion had failed. The President then announced the result of the ballot to the members present at the meeting.

 

I know this because I was there.

 

Do yourself a favour Bruno lad put away your shovel.

 

 

It is clear from what I have posted that my information comes from published sources and can be verified by others, while yours comes from your own clouded perception ... how can you truthfully say that you knew what was in the minds of all 300+ people at that meeting?

 

This forum has already a very good grasp of the quality of your 'correct accounts and reports' and as usual, when your chestnuts get roasted, you start trotting out personal insults.

 

 

[dandydoo]

Here here Bruno

Singed nuts, sour grapes, but no humble pie..... your right Peggy ....whatever

[me]

"It is clear from what I have posted that my information comes from published sources and can be verified by others, while yours comes from your own clouded perception ... how can you truthfully say that you knew what was in the minds of all 300+ people at that meeting?

 

This forum has already a very good grasp of the quality of your 'correct accounts and reports' and as usual, when your chestnuts get roasted, you start trotting out personal insults."

 

very witty Bruno how is the weather in Australia?

[jimmy white]

FAO ME

I dont mind having arguments about Feds or Unions BUT... You have just crossed the line ....... "you put up after the misleading posts you put up when you were selling your doos".

Are you saying the ads and the Birds were not as advertised .... their breeding and their positions .... I am offended by this. We are honourable people and I wont have a nameless person sniping at me when you dont have the guts to say who you are.  

YOU are trying to suggest that we misled people in our ads we have receipts and pedigrees and you can contact the breeder or owner they were bought/bred from.

 

You will retract this immediately I will not have you slurring our name ...we spent a long time trying to build and buy a Team of Pigeons and I wont have you demeaning Ian's ability or his integrity

 

Its Folk like you that made the decision to leave the sport easier

 

without getting involved with anything, apart from demeaning of ians, ability or  integrity , for any one , inluding" me",,,, this i find most shocking to a most honest ,respectable, and knowledgeable fancier as i know this to be fact  , so whatever arguements you may have, his reputation is there to be seen by all.

[johno]

and so too many others

[me]

"without getting involved with anything, apart from demeaning of ians, ability or  integrity , for any one , inluding" me",,,, this i find most shocking "

 

what is the point of posting this Jimmy if you can quote the whole of post 102 surely you can read post 103 here is what I said:

 

"Don't know who "Ian" is Dandydoo/Fifestay and I have no beef with him."

 

Do "me" a favour leave me out.

 

 

[dandydoo]

Ian is my Partner....both in Doos and life. ...... what right have you got to say that the Ads he put in were misleading ...... You say you dont know him ...EXACTLY THAT WAS MY POINT.- Although in the Advert it has his name and Tel No.... were you not paying attention or did you not read it properly :o :o You did not quote that

I dont take you, or what you have to say seriously so ...no need to leave you out you were never in. :X :X I think you enjoy having a pop and making statements that are not true or valid ..but whatever makes you happy eh ;D ;D ;D.

 

Argue about the issues but if you cant make your point without personal attacks ....give it up

 

You are well left out nameless one

[THE FIFER]

ME u dont know much about fife if u dont know IAN, as he is well known and respected by all, but it has been noticed that u are only on this forum to insult.

[fredspears44]

I AGREE FIFER BETTER TO BE IGNORED

[johno]

i see in todays bhw the secretary of the cumbria region of the rpra clearly put the ongoing debate about scottish members of the rpra to bed. short and sweet. clear and concise. rules applied the same way right across the board. well done. funny that we see the shu setting a precedent and then when it suits wanting other treatment. why is this not surprising to us.

[dandydoo]

Who is "us" ....

ahm like peggy seek arguing ..... but I am afraid that I think the RPRA members are about to undergo the pain Scottish Pigeons Racing went through. If you are reading the BHW ...remind you of something ...yip the introduction of ETS in Scotland a couple of Years ago and the ill -feeling has still not gone. On the view from the readings thread... there are RPRA members questioning the balance sheet/spens and auditors ....the massive debate and threat of split in the Pigeon weeklies etc. One thing I dont think it will be a smooth introduction and acceptance as the reddings may have hoped for.

One thing for sure there will be more splits and more unions at a time when the sport is shrinking and we should be pooling resources.

 

Giving it yada yada SHU is one thing ......but look out for your own union and membership ....because i can assure you there is no agreement on this and it splits Clubs feds regions

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WELL NOBODYS SAYING ANYTHING  ON HERE  OR  OUTSIDE OF HERE :-/

[Chris Little]

A superb letter by Les Blacklock in the BHW

 

[dandydoo]

Posturing etc wont help the impending pain ... hey thought you didnt do politics hope your not turning into what can of fart did you call them? boring or otherwise. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[johno]

much more than ets to the scottish question. the whole of glasgow south lanarkshire forth and clyde all moved. they were not moving over ets. the rpra are dealing with everyone using and applying the same rules consistantly and fairly accross the board. open and fair sound policy by the rpra.

[dandydoo]

Johno,

How many members do you reckon moved i.e. numbers, that is to say left the SHU FOR the RPRA not as a result of leaving. The SHU have numbers so SHU members know. Soooo if all those that left are now happy flying in another Union good luck to them.

But do you read the other posts/threads MANY are not .... I still maintain Peter that if you read the BHW/RP (you do) that the introduction of ETS will be painful and for the record many SHU members (by their own admission) did leave because of ETS.

My point is that the I think the RPRA will suffer as a result of ETS. People said that the RPRA would introduce RTS with appropriate guidance, tests and benchmarking unlike the SHU (fair point) but folk are still resisting ..it would seem folk are totally opposed to this type of timing advice.

 

Just out onf interest, what are the NEHU and other Unions doing? does the WHU accept the RPRA decision?

[young man]

i think some members moved due to e.t.s but it was also to do with running of the s.h.u members werent happy with.and being worried how the r.p.r.a.and other unions are run shouldnt matter to you as long as you happy with organisation and its members and the way its being run.leave others to run there own. :)

[dandydoo]

Yip that is true too William ..... my point either way its no getting any better for either/any Union :-/ :'( :'( :-/

[dandydoo]

I am interested in what other Unions are doing. their approach and the Management of for difficult decisions.... and it definately NOT matter to you either ;D ;D ;D :P :P

[young man]

that right ian one more week but i hope for the sports sake that some of the bad feeling could go and let everyone enjoy the sport again no matter who or what union there in.

[THE FIFER]

A superb letter by Les Blacklock in the BHW

 

 

superb??come on Chris what he and the RPRA are saying (and i have nothing against the RPRA was a member for a number of years, a good organisation) is if u are in trouble with ur club fed or union and awaiting  ur case coming up, 1/ join the RPRA before u get suspended then ur ok u were in before u got suspended, or better still 2/ jion the RPRA now and if u ever get suspended from ur organisation ur ok, u were in the RPRA before u got suspended, come on chris this is not a proper excuse, and i have nothing against the other organisations they made a decission, although their original decission was not to go with the RPRA but to go it alone but they were wrong and went in the RPRA as a only chioce. we had two members from our club went but they were sportsmen, they resigned and paid all their dues and rings which they ordered, good sportsmen, anyway good luck to us all and good racing to all organisations,

 

 

[dandydoo]

William it is Norma not Ian ...but all the best to you anyway ...... Pigeons are a lot of work and are 365 24/7 ...seasons seem very short or maybe i am getting older and time passes quicker ;D ;D ;D ;D