RE: FIFE FED BIRDAGE

[THE FIFER]

Hi Fifer

I am not trying to say Fife Fed are right or wrong. I am replying to Jade who indicated the Aberdeen Fed had followed this policy. This is how my Federation handled it. This is the situation for 2007.

Cheers

Ian

 

yes and ur fed handled it in the correct way, so members had to accept it as should any organisation must, but no one other than the fanciers going for this proposal new anything about it, ok we say u should be at the agm, but at the same time u should have all proposals on the agenda, what are they going to do next time someone puts in a proposal too late, throw it out, or if someone hands them a proposal at the agm meeting accept it like those were, i as said think there is a good idea there, but you must let allget a chance to sa yes or no, and u must stick to the rules regarding proposals,

 

 

[johno]

stick to your guns fifer

[THE FIFER]

i must say johno,i think its been a good thread, i have learnt a lot about things and its all been in good standing, no agro, and i didn't think there were other feds going down the same road ie paying up front, which i do not have any trouble with if its done correctly, and fair, i do believe there should be a limit on birdage then if u are over u pay, because in most clubs u are racing for prize money so the more birds u put in the more u pay surely, they want pigeon racing classed as a sport, they will never get that if one fancier could put in 60 entries for the same price as one puting in 10, i certainly cant think of a sport u can.

[Guest]

i think some of us are slightly missing the main point in our shrinking sport will the senior members and young members be able to afford to even consider to stay in the sport at that price I DONT THINK SO so the big money men (big team ) will have it all there way again iam not against them but i would have thaught they should be suporting the not so well off not living of the back of them

[Guest]

thats human life to live of the back of others especially the have nots,frankdooman

[Guest]

I aggree Sammy does,nt mean we need to let them ps parasite,s live of others

[THE FIFER]

a lot of disscussion at blackpool. about this one.

[sapper756]

TALK OF A COUPLE OF CLUBS AND SOME INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS APPLYING TO JOIN THE NEW FED IN FIFE. THE KINGDOM FED. I WONDER IF THE OFFICIALS ACCOUNTED FOR THAT IN THEIR SUMS WHEN QUOTING £143 FOR FEES?

[THE FIFER]

well be it all on their heads,

[dandydoo]

Ah hem 2/3rds of their heads

[dandydoo]

1/3rd is looking for an acceptable way forward

[young man]

haveing to pay that its a joke there has to be somthing far wrong with things and you couldnt blame fanciers moving to the kingdom ass

[Guest]

If there is so much dissention, what is the next step to have this overturned? Remember, this isn't the Fife Fed website and while your views may be valid and known amongst pigeonbasics members, are they known in the Fed and are there others out there with similar views (in the Fed)?

[dandydoo]

Bruno ...there are interventions by some to alleviate same

[THE FIFER]

Ah hem 2/3rds of their heads

 

yes, sorry.

 

 

[dandydoo]

;) ;) fifer

[THE FIFER]

If there is so much dissention, what is the next step to have this overturned? Remember, this isn't the Fife Fed website and while your views may be valid and known amongst pigeonbasics members, are they known in the Fed and are there others out there with similar views (in the Fed)?

 

i think if 2 SHU councillors get away with braking the rules as was done in the fife fed, the ones that should be doing something is the shu as they are the ruling body, and 2 of there councillors are showing a bad example are they not, taking proposals from the body of the hall at an AGM, and having 3 of them taking the voting, hands up for 1, hands up for 2, hands up for 3,  the counts were 13, 27, 28, right 28 wins, nothing about going against the status quo or anything, but u dont take 3 proposals like that one must go against the other with the later going against status quo, how do they know hopw many times people were putting there hands up, also 2 of those proposals werre known before the agm but were too late in as per shu rules, 28 days before agm, a fed council meeting was held 2 weeks before the agm to go over proposals etc, and the finances, which was done and the council put in a proposal for agm to deal with this, it was on the agenda but was not even brought up, an insult to the management committee of the fed in my book, and the other proposals in qiestion were never mentioned to the council, and one was from the auditor so the officials must have known then, what it boiled down to was the members who new about the proposal, (And they new as it was discussed prior to agm) were there in force to get it through, they should have been on the agenda, and officials and shu councillors know that.

PS. how can the SHU our governing body be run properly when its COUNCILLORS are getting away with this, so i think it should be of interest to all shu members not just fife fed.

 

 

[Guest]

Take your points, Fifer & Dandydoo.  

 

As you know I am very new to this game. One thing I have noticed, from the sidelines, so to speak, is that certain issues are raised locally, possibly in the wrong forum, and because they have been raised there, there is a general assumption that everybody knows about it and 'someone' is / must be doing something about it (the greivance). Then when the dust has settled sudden discovery that nothing has been done and the subject has now become time-barred in the proper forum.

 

Then it becomes another sore-point and will be added to all the other sore points to roast almost any issue that comes up in the future.

[THE FIFER]

Take your points, Fifer & Dandydoo.  

 

As you know I am very new to this game. One thing I have noticed, from the sidelines, so to speak, is that certain issues are raised locally, possibly in the wrong forum, and because they have been raised there, there is a general assumption that everybody knows about it and 'someone' is / must be doing something about it (the greivance). Then when the dust has settled sudden discovery that nothing has been done and the subject has now become time-barred in the proper forum.

 

Then it becomes another sore-point and will be added to all the other sore points to roast almost any issue that comes up in the future.

 

but the officials who done this are SHU COUNCILLORS, so what does that say of the SHU, if they can't abide by the rules who can. they should be showing an example, not breaking them.

 

 

[dandydoo]

Very sad and avoidable, in principle, the idea had merits and appealed as a policy ...but once again there was little thought to how it maybe put into practice for the members that are in the Fed.

In any so called democracy it is about promoting the sport and the objectives of the club and fed.Abiding by the rules. Working together and trying to ensure everyone is treated fairly and equitably

 

 

When are Officials going to LEARN what their duties are, what they are legally bound to do and that with some thought that half the difficulties that arise are because something is not debated fully, the pros and cons and special procedures that need to be made to introduce it etc. Some thought and debate and partnership working wouldnt go amiss

[THE FIFER]

well said dandydoo, but i think its going to be too late to do anything, i still say when union Councilors break the rules the union should pull them up, as they are supposed to be there to see that rules are obayed not broken, and as union councilors should know the rules, if the shu let this pass then its not saying much for them as a governing body, and nobody should have to appeal, they know about it and its their councilors responsible.

[Guest]

Note that I have deleted tit-for-tat posts arising from the previous post (since removed -- webmaster).

 

1-day cooling-off period called, after which the thread will be unlocked.

[me]

"well be it all on their heads"

 

well said Fifer agree with this 100%

[me]

Quoted from slugmonkey

We have been doing this one cost for all for about 3 years now but we did it to increase the number of birds shipped we broke it down and it actually saves most members money and is also generating more money for the club a few who seldom shipped ( or do anything else for that matter ) balked at first but they came around we are shipping a higher number of birds with more money being generated for the club

 

 

"probably is ok and a good way" - Fifer

 

agree with you 100% here as well

[me]

Quoted from celtic

Why not as greengrass says £85 for example and then a fiver or tenner for every bird you send over a certain amount.

 

 

"yes greengrass those are reasonable, i agree"

 

sorry Fifer can't agree here don't know what Greengrass was thinking about why not make it nothing to send the birds but £10 for every bird you time in that would teach they mob flyers