SHU MEETING THIS SUNDAY

[GUTTY HEN]

I agree with you all who want the members to decide who should be in office at the shu but at this point thats not how it works.It is like a lot of other things at the moment our rule book is a little out of tuch with the members who want to fly their pigeons under the shu rule book.It may be better to elect the president and the rest of the top table at the agm where all the members can come along and express their views.Another point would be to notice that feds with 20 members get the same vote as a fed with 199 members is that right or need looked into.In my mind we need to have a total rethink on the hole shu and you the members need to now how it all works the current rules etc.Lets hope that the every day member who just wants to race pigeons in scotland wins the day and we can all go forward together.As we go into the next 100years of the shu lets all look towork together for the benifit of the members and our future members.

[THE FIFER]

 

Not aware here of any delegates meeting that has been called here in Lanarkshire before this meeting, so will our three SHU delegates vote for what or who is best for our fed members and their wishes, or will the SHU delegates from Lanarkshire vote the way they want ? Think I will have to ask them tonight if I can get hold of one of them or if they see this maybe they could do me the courtesy of a phone call.

 

no but this is the problem all over in clubs feds etc delegates are not mandated by their members as how to vote etc, so if not then they are going to do and vote as they want, what else can they do, i have even seen 2 delegates from the same organisation voting against each other, this should never happen as if they are they are not voting as their members wanted, probably becuase they have not been told, and this happens all the time and is the big problem in scotland, i was the same when i was a shu councilor nobody told me how to vote etc so i like most delegates do what we want, its the members fault for not having meetings to mandate ur delegates, DELEGATES ARE MESSENGERS, the only time a delegate should vote on his own discretion is if its something which was not on the agenda and then if there is 2-3 delegates from the same organisation they should come to a decission on hoow they are going to vote.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

If you are elected Scott what would be some of the things you would  be trying to change ?

[THE FIFER]

Have to agree 100% with every part of your post Bruno. SHU members should vote for who is elected to the SHU committee,

 

once again tammy that's up to the members to put in a proposal for to change the rules, then it would be decided by the majority, any rule that is there is not the fault of anybody other than the members they put them there and they can change them,

 

 

[Guest TAMMY_1]

How many delegates are there ?

 

Cheers

 

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[Guest]

Well my Secretary got back to me and confirms the delegate procedure [as described by Fifer] operates in our Fed; each club tells its Fed delegate what it wants from the Fed, and the delegate votes that way. If its on an SHU matter, the majority vote at the delegates meeting will iinform the SHU delegates (2) what the Fed wants from the SHU and the delegates vote that way.

 

Different for this election tho, because one candidate is our Fed President, and on principle he should be able to count on the support of his own Fed. So there's no delegates meeting on it.

 

[square_peg]

isnt a lot of the problem not coming from the fact that club presidents and fed presidents are not going by the rules,ie calling a meeting for the members to decide how there delegates will vote?

[ALF]

HAVE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO VOTE ON ANY SHU MATTERS AT CLUB LEVEL TO BE TAKEN FORWARD TO THE SHU BY OUR DELEGATES :-/

AND I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE LANARKSHIRE FED AND THE SHU FOR A LONG TIME!

[THE FIFER]

isnt a lot of the problem not coming from the fact that club presidents and fed presidents are not going by the rules,ie calling a meeting for the members to decide how there delegates will vote?

 

 

yes arch and also its mostly the fed officials who are the delegates,which i think is wrong,as it gives too much power, the delegates can and should come from the members, but in the fife fed its been this for a long time just let the officials do it, and they vote etc for what they want, and this went on when i was president and delegate, and i brought this up but all u got was we have always done it this way and we dont have meetings, yes ok as long as all is going their way but the minute it doesnt, its who done this we dont want that. if it was all done properly ie, clubs having meetings to mandate their delegates for fed meetings and feds having meetings for to mandate their shu delegates, there is a meeting on sunday, have the fife fed members had a say in who is going to be elected president NO.  the officials will vote for who they want, and this probably goes on through most of the feds.and that is why there is so many problems in the fancy in scotland today,

 

[THE FIFER]

It does not matter I think it will be fixed?????????????????

 

but would'nt Ian if feds had meetings to mandate their delegates on how to vote,

 

 

[THE FIFER]

Maybe it what every member of the SHU  should ask for .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

but it is there tammy if feds as they should do had meetings to mandate their delegates, the members would tell them how to vote, according to the majority vote at the fed meeting. then all members are getting their chance and say but if its left to delegates to do as they please then members arent.

 

 

[Guest WINGS 04]

HAVE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO VOTE ON ANY SHU MATTERS AT CLUB LEVEL TO BE TAKEN FORWARD TO THE SHU BY OUR DELEGATES :-/

AND I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE LANARKSHIRE FED AND THE SHU FOR A LONG TIME!

 

ALF THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE OLD BOYS THAT USED TO RUN LANARKSHIRE FED

[THE FIFER]

 

ALF THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE OLD BOYS THAT USED TO RUN LANARKSHIRE FED

 

 

its not just the lanarkshire fed wings its all over ask how many clubs and feds have meetinngs to mandate their delegates u will be surprised, we are allowing our delegates to run things, its our fault, the members. and i admit i was a fed and shu delegate for 4-5 years and never once told by anyone how to vote or anything at meetings, and once again not my fault i was allowed to do it. as it was the way it has been done, but its wrong.

 

[JADE]

Have to agree 100% with every part of your post Bruno. SHU members should vote for who is elected to the SHU committee,

 

By commitee I assume you mean SHU council. They ARE elected by the SHU members ( by their federations as delegates) The whole problem is down to the apathy of the members. How many volunteers do you get to be a delegate? And its mainly fed officials who are appointed delegates because of the same reason they are fed officials in the first place i.e no one else wants the job or the responsibility. Its the same all over - I saw a report on a RPRA region AGM when something like eleven club delegates turned up from over 200 clubs.

[Ian McKay]

Hi Fifer you are right nobody ever gets asked how we wish to vote.

The letters go out to the SHU deligate they go and vote. I would doubt if the deligate has time to inform the Fed secretary and President to call a meeting.

But up untill now this is how it was done so if nothing else this has brought to our attention NOW it is up to us to set out how to deal with it.

[THE FIFER]

 

By commitee I assume you mean SHU council. They ARE elected by the SHU members ( by their federations as delegates) The whole problem is down to the apathy of the members. How many volunteers do you get to be a delegate? And its mainly fed officials who are appointed delegates because of the same reason they are fed officials in the first place i.e no one else wants the job or the responsibility. Its the same all over - I saw a report on a RPRA region AGM when something like eleven club delegates turned up from over 200 clubs.

 

 

u have hit the nail on the head jade, officials and delegates are being left to run things, and as u see by some of the posts they get crusifide for it, but its the members fault they let them, until something they do does not suit them then the officials are taking over and not listining to the members etc, this is the problem, the members must take over their responsibillity and mandate their delegates .

 

 

[THE FIFER]

Hi Fifer you are right nobody ever gets asked how we wish to vote.

The letters go out to the SHU deligate they go and vote. I would doubt if the deligate has time to inform the Fed secretary and President to call a meeting.

But up untill now this is how it was done so if nothing else this has brought to our attention NOW it is up to us to set out how to deal with it.

 

agree, i have been on about this for ages even when i was fed president and shu councilor, but there is no reason for not calling a meeting of the fed ian u dont have to wait until u get the shu agenda the dates of the shu meetings are set out so we know when they are so u call a meeting a week before the shu one and u will most likely have the shu agenda by then, 9 times out of 10 anyway its the fed officials who are shu delegates so i never see any problem in calling a meeting, i done it once as president and had to cancell the meeting as only 4 members turned up. as i say the members are ok with the delegates doing as they please until something comes up that they do not want then they are calling for meetings and filling halls to deal with it, we must go by the rule book its the only way, and if delegates turn up at a meeting without being instructed by their members they should not be allowed to vote on anythging on the agenda, aso i have seen at time delegates from the same organisation voting against each other at meetings, this is out of order, and i agree with u its time this was put into action with delegates, also i think the delegates should come from the members other than officials as this would take away a bit of own authority from officials,

 

 

[THE FIFER]

one way i dealt with a problem when i was president in my fed, members were calling for general meeting to sort out wether something was to be allowed or not allowed, so this was just a yes or no situation, instead of calling a general meeting which u would be lucky to get just a handfull turn up to deal with it, i sent out a letter to each club instructing them to call a meeting and vote yes or no, i also told them about a council meeting for a few days after this to put their club vote forward, ie if a club was entitled to 2 delegates then their vote which ever way counted as 2 and so on, my secy had a list of each clubs delegates and how many so a delegate from each club stood up when called and gave their vote for or against, this saved the hassle of a general meeting, also a lot more members turned up at their clubs than would have at a general meeting, and this is a good way i think as more members are getting their say.

[ME2]

THIS WILL PROBABLY BE THE LAST CHANCE THE SHU WILL HAVE OF GETTING SHOT OF THE OFFICIALS WHO ARE TAKING THE SHU DOWN AND MAKING IT A LAUGHING STOCK, BECAUS IF A NEW COUNCIL ARE NOT VOTED IN THIS TIME THEY WILL MOST CERTAINLY CHANGE THE RULES AGAIN TO ENSURE THEY ARE KEPT IN A LIFELONG SAFE POSITION, BECAUSE EVERYBODY MUST SEE THAT THIS IS THE TIME FOR A CHANGE JUST AS SURELY AS LANARKSHIRE FEDERATION MEMBERS FINALLY SAW SENSE AND VOTED IN NEW LEADERSHIP, LET US HOPE THE REST OF SCOTLAND WILL SEE SENSE AND FOLLOW SUIT

[THE FIFER]

THIS WILL PROBABLY BE THE LAST CHANCE THE SHU WILL HAVE OF GETTING SHOT OF THE OFFICIALS WHO ARE TAKING THE SHU DOWN AND MAKING IT A LAUGHING STOCK, BECAUS IF A NEW COUNCIL ARE NOT VOTED IN THIS TIME THEY WILL MOST CERTAINLY CHANGE THE RULES AGAIN TO ENSURE THEY ARE KEPT IN A LIFELONG SAFE POSITION, BECAUSE EVERYBODY MUST SEE THAT THIS IS THE TIME FOR A CHANGE JUST AS SURELY AS LANARKSHIRE FEDERATION MEMBERS FINALLY SAW SENSE AND VOTED IN NEW LEADERSHIP, LET US HOPE THE REST OF SCOTLAND WILL SEE SENSE AND FOLLOW SUIT

 

the council is not voted in at any meeting, they are elected from all the feds by the members, and the members tell them who they want in or out from the officials, dont understand where they get this bit thet officials and council are self elected. its YOU the Members that put them in.

 

 

[Guest]

Alot of truth in your last post Jade so can you hazard a guess why a jcb couldnt get rid of the officals who are destroying the shu???????

[ALF]

I WONDER IF ANYONE WILL BE CHECKING THE CREDENTIALS OF ALL THE COUNCIL DELEGATES ie...SHOULD THEY BE THERE VOTING IN THE 1ST PLACE AND DO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE?????

[Guest]

EH!!!!!!!! dont think so Alf it wouldnt suit some to do that and if the phone calls are true which i belive they are they will drag people out there death beds to keep the fift raff in office they vant afford to let any one see certain things in that office rember the 3 month wait to let the audit commitee in WHY???? if you have nothing to hide

[ALF]

EH!!!!!!!! dont think so Alf it wouldnt suit some to do that and if the phone calls are true which i belive they are they will drag people out there death beds to keep the fift raff in office they vant afford to let any one see certain things in that office rember the 3 month wait to let the audit commitee in WHY???? if you have nothing to hide

 

THATS EXACTLY WHY I THINK EVERY PERSON WHO CAN VOTE ON THE FUTURE OF THE SHU TOMMORROW SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO BE THERE AND NOT BEEN BROUGHT IN THE BACK DOOR TO HELP THE VOTE!!!!

[Guest]

Alf are you giong to the shu meeting tomorow if so will you let us know the out come?