Clubs becoming Federations ????

[Guest]

1 delegate per 200 members or part thereof.

 

Don't know what part of the member counts tho  ;D

[frank-123]

so one delegate representing  20 members has the same vote as a delegate representing 200 members

rather unfair on the majority i think

[me]

what really annoys "me" about this thread as a member of the Shu is the way my fellow Shu members seem to forget what suits them to forget .

 

There was a large club in west central Scotland who easily more than 20 flying lofts and were not members of a federation for a few years not that long ago and guess what they qualified for NOT ONE SHU DELEGATE.

 

It now sems 3 or 4 lofts and you can have an Shu President for a member.

 

Is anyone who is Scottish(and identifiable) saying anything about this? No and I don't blame them but I do take exception to the scottish lads having a go at "me" for trying to protect my position but still give an honest opinion!

 

When the Gareth Rankins and Ian Browns etc etc on this forum are brave enough to stick their necks out for the truth maybe I will "unmask" myself.

 

But trust "me" fellow forum members it won't happen they are the ones who are really frightened incase they are taken to task.!

[frank-123]

frank welsh that's my name

Burnbank lanarkshire

call a spade a spade that's my motto

 

[frank-123]

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[HOMER49]

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Hi Bart

Did you expect one Hope your finger nails are strong

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[me]

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about what bartie frankie or whatever don't see whwere you have been brave enough to tackle any of the "big questions"

 

 

[me]

Hi Bart

Did you expect one Hope your finger nails are strong

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

 

Homer lad according to the pm's buzzing about no one takes a blind bit of notice of you, and sadly I don't find that hard to believe.

 

How are "THE PRIMROSE" doing Homer still to the fore I hope""

 

 

 

[HOMER49]

 

about what bartie frankie or whatever don't see whwere you have been brave enough to tackle any of the "big questions"

 

Hi

Told you bart all sh** and no bull

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[HOMER49]

 

 

Homer lad according to the pm's buzzing about no one takes a blind bit of notice of you, and sadly I don't find that hard to believe.

 

How are "THE PRIMROSE" doing Homer still to the fore I hope""

 

 

Hi

Doing fine where it should be right up your are*****

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[Guest]

what really annoys "me" about this thread as a member of the Shu is the way my fellow Shu members seem to forget what suits them to forget .

 

There was a large club in west central Scotland who easily more than 20 flying lofts and were not members of a federation for a few years not that long ago and guess what they qualified for NOT ONE SHU DELEGATE.

 

It now sems 3 or 4 lofts and you can have an Shu President for a member.

 

Is anyone who is Scottish(and identifiable) saying anything about this? No and I don't blame them but I do take exception to the scottish lads having a go at "me" for trying to protect my position but still give an honest opinion!

 

When the Gareth Rankins and Ian Browns etc etc on this forum are brave enough to stick their necks out for the truth maybe I will "unmask" myself.

 

But trust "me" fellow forum members it won't happen they are the ones who are really frightened incase they are taken to task.!

 

 

This is the quote of your post 52. Well I am readily identifiable as Ian Brown, my club and federation have been there for some considerable time for all to see, and I am of course a member of SHU. I have (as usual) given my opinion in this matter in this thread and long prior to this post 52. And delegates is not the main issue here. Another longish post coming up ... and apologies for that ... but this is a summary of my opinions from my previous posts, edited to both avoid giving offence, and take out irrelevant detail, with (something) added to aid continuity and understanding:-

 

Post 20

Thanks for clearing the West of Scotland up for me. I did pick up (that) the old Dumbarton club didn't go (to RPRA) with Glasgow Fed.

 

Didn't realise the old club had split into 4 new clubs, but then being at the North West limit of pigeondom, north of the Clyde, which Fed was it supposed to affiliate to? I'd call that a good survival strategy, at least the folk can still fly their birds.

 

Post 25

(Greengrass) what would you suggest should happen to these clubs? For my part, I would point to the present time and the aged membership: people are leaving pigeons in droves and there must come a time when a club or federation cannot make the numbers. What then? Put them out the game too or alter the rule book to suit present day circumstances?

 

Your post 41 (My Quote)

My judgement on the actions pointed out to me in Post 20 was based solely on the 2006 SHU ring list which shows a West of Scotland Fed with 4 clubs. The posts preceding my original question provided numbers which appeared to support its existence, and with an in-depth geographical knowledge of that part of the country I can say  that it had no easy affiliations and followed a perfectly legal survival strategy at that time. Following a strict timeline, you will see that Greengrass provided further more up-to-date information on current numbers in this Fed which appears to show the numbers now no longer add up. And I have left it at that with another question 'so what is now to happen, have these people to be put out of pigeons?

 

 

So there you have it. All perfectly legal until ... the Federation can no longer meet the necessary numbers. And I will again leave it at that with the same question this time to 'Me' 'so what is now to happen, have these people to be put out of pigeons? That's the current issue, nothing at all to do with delegates

 

 

[frank-123]

 

about what bartie frankie or whatever don't see whwere you have been brave enough to tackle any of the "big questions"

 

 

here is a big question for (me ) who are you ?

or do you have no backbone that you cant back yourself and your comments

[THE FIFER]

so one delegate representing  20 members has the same vote as a delegate representing 200 members

rather unfair on the majority i think

 

so if u dont think the rule is fair then get a proposal in at the next agm to change it. the members make the rules and the members change them in the shu as they have members agms,

 

 

[frank-123]

thanks for the advice fifer

i know how the agm work's iam all for the members making decisions

[doos r us]

with regards clubs becoming feds if certain feds had opened there radius instead of slaming doors shut the talk of the toon would probibly never have happend in this age of falling membership u would think feds would be fighting over an extra 22 members take a long look at yourselves before u condem the wos fed

[GREENGRASS]

as a member of the new toon fed i must reply to old bird we were in fact the biggest club in the real glasgow fed ...desperate ha ha we will still be flying our doos no matter    1st west sec 29 open newbury 3 inreg f yb nat maybe we will end up a long distance club but for now we carry on regardless

 

 

yes you were certainly the biggest in the glasgow fed and I am not talking about clubs  ;D ;D ;D, your 9 lofts dwarfed the 25 plus lofts of campsie and chryston but only in your tiny isolated world. "3 inreg f yb nat" just a pity you actually need to own the bird you time in. 1st west section 29th open fantastic flying wee mick well done.

 

could you also tell us why the good fanciers of renfrew decided to have nothing to do with you after one season was it that you messed them around so much they voted to ditch you, strange that. remember when you have finished falling out with everybody else you can still fall out with each other.................ooppps  too late that has started already. lets just wait and see how long the current pres of the shu remains a member of the aptly named WOS club.

[doos r us]

looks like the strains taking its toll on u perhaps alls not rosey in the rpra are u ready to hit the wall could it be the many honest fanciers who were draged along have realised the mistake they made after all u could race under a different name when your suspension comes in the post after all the vale still takes suspended members and if u must have a go at us get your facts rights the truth only hurts when you have somthing to hide

[doos r us]

at the time we parted with glw fed we had 14 lofts and 8 partners the 2 meetings reffered to booth were deemed illeagal by the shu the fact that he is still moaning about it is it still has not sunk in that they were proven wrong a bit like getting caught comitting a crime on cctv and still denying it      on the renfrew matter we got on fine with the renfrew fanciers unfortunatly the top table caused the problem u no who

[doos r us]

with regards wos fed i can confirm we have 21 + 2 suspended members i still have my old loft in my back garden maybee the wife will take an interest some day theres also a couple of old members with lofts who have expressed an interest in starting up again

[me]

So there you have it. All perfectly legal until ... the Federation can no longer meet the necessary numbers. And I will again leave it at that with the same question this time to 'Me' 'so what is now to happen, have these people to be put out of pigeons? That's the current issue, nothing at all to do with delegates[/b][/i]

 

 

Don't know why you particularly want to ask "me" but you have basically answered your own question and it all depends on your morals(or lack of them) wether you feel what has been done is fair and reasonable in decent ordinary peoples eyes.

 

Point 1 - no one was being put out of pigeons a pigeon club with say 20 members is still a pigeon club it does not need to be part of a federation, they can still race their doos.

 

Point 2 - a pigeon club that splits its members up into 4 groups of five say is still the same 20 members so why as you seem to suggest has this helped them survive. Well quite simply it has not, the only reason this was done was to allow an individual who lives 30 miles away and who had been rejected by his own members to cling pathetically to power and that is exactly what happened . Hope thats cleared it up for you Bruno.

 

[doos r us]

with regards wos fed status did the same thing not happen with stranraer club a few years back with the then glw delegate voting no problems then is it not the fact that mr barlow has joined our fed thats getting on your wick just say so if saddam had applied he would have got in to survival is our game hell we might even look at an application from gg and oldbird

[doos r us]

and fed status was applied for and accepted last year we did not have fed rings because we were to late the order was in so we flew plain rings

[GREENGRASS]

Like i said in the earlier post "only in your isolated little mind" this crime you speak of, what was the pinishment ???, at least you did manage to confirm one little descrepency which is and i quote "we have 21 members +2 suspended members, firstly can you count members who are suspended, and yes members not lofts. any reply to timing in hughie traynors bird in the y.b national.

 

has louella been in contact recently   ;) ;) .

[doos r us]

you would have thought that after almost 3 years u would have somthing better to do but here u are still slagging us off that gives me comfort to think we were right and we are still sticking in your craw as for mr t he is debt suspended and is now a member of the glw fed explain that please i waited 3 days before posting replys to your drivell this was to make sure that i could not be held responable for starting it any reply posted by me is in our defence and shows what kind of person you are get a life and get on with running your show and leave us to do the same

[doos r us]

dont jump to conclusions there js more than 1 computer in outer mongolia yes we even have fire and running water