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greengrass i DID not HAVE TO MAKE AN APOLOGY, and what lawyers letter are u on about, and what goes on at club meetings is for its members what u have been told is hearsay,  cant get round bruno so changing the subject, why dont u just give it a rest, and let us get on with our racing, if ur not happy it was ure own choice,

 

 

 

 

ooohhhhhh touched a nerve have we archie. do you not remember your posting regarding the apology to rpra members after it was exposed by your own club and federation members that you had voted to accept a proposal to join the kingdom assoc. the solicitors letter in question is the one you ran to the front of the hall to hand to benny martin. or have you forgotten about that. if you are not man enough to stand by your own decisions shame on you for pushing them on others.

 

 

getting around bruno........sorry is this an attempt by you to change  the subject. bruno knows his attempts to rubbish and discredit johno have shown his own position to be one of poor judgement and taste in trying to do an "archie" if you like.

 

 

me i could not be happier can you say the same.................... ;D ;D ;)

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not a lot looking forward 7th may like the build up to cup final are you a betting man put your money on the underdogs  got a song for tue morn its all gone quiet over there

 

 

i am not surprised it has gone quiet over there seeing as only ten members sent doos this weekend, maybe the other twelve are waiting for better weather.. ;D

 

i hear the disenchanted members might be holding a meeting without you... :(

 

tell me how do you work out a club result let a alone a fed result when you send to different racepoints on the  same day with different feds.

 

 

and the winner is.............................................. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)  ;)

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bruno your post 70. you would have us believe that wos/dumbarton are not causing problems. you then go on to mention four other feds in the same position. surely this only highlights the depth of the problem. you would also have us believe that people have problems with a certain individual. this is not the case. the problem is clearly the way in which the situation has been manipulated to achieve a pre planned outcome. this has lead to making a mockery of the rules and the scottish pigeon fancy in general. like you i believe if this is what the membership wants then so be it. the situation with doos r us is such that he has fired terms such as bullshite at me and others and you somehow feel we should stand back in amazement. the content of a lot of his posts sre false and i intend to continue to rebuff his ravings to show up the real situation. like you say i am operating my freedom of choice to put another side to discussions i feel are not wholely representative of the feeling of pigeon fanciers in my area. if you feel that this in some way threatens you and that you should then revert to aggressive and demeaning language in an attempt to bully or coerce me then i am affraid you are barking up the wrong tree. you have repeatedly blocked postings in a vain attempt to put me off. i am too strong willed to be threatened or influenced by anyone as shallow as yourself. you have no position of strength or power. you appear to be a person who thrives on the idea of being a badge wearer. it would appear from disenchanted fanciers who know you that you would like to be a dictator or jumped authority of some kind. if your actions and comments on this forum are anything to go by i suggest you will have great difficulty in gaining the respect of your peers as it would seem you have no respect for yourself. i trust that you will understand that this post along with all my other posts are my own personal opinions and not that of anyone else. the final question is will you call a halt to the thread or will you delete the bits that hit home. you being a bully would lead me to believe the fact that people highlight your tendancies towards being a control freak combined with your own inability to consider the position of others would only sway you to believe that whatever you do you are right.

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"No mention of 4 other Feds in same position, same status, and no mention of what criteria was applied, " - Bruno

 

 

Which other 4 feds are you suggesting should be stripped of their delegates because they don't fulfill the requirements of the pertinent Shu rule Bruno?

 

 

I am not suggesting any fed should be stripped of anything Me. I am simply highlighting that WoS is in the frame here for one reason, J Barlow. If it was an honest concern, (about Fed status] then there would be more Feds in the frame, but I'm sure that these will be discussed too, by full Council.

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I am not suggesting any fed should be stripped of anything Me. I am simply highlighting that WoS is in the frame here for one reason, J Barlow. If it was an honest concern, (about Fed status] then there would be more Feds in the frame, but I'm sure that these will be discussed too, by full Council.

 

I'm sure they'll have to be aswell Bruno just in case any of these other feds have delegates who might have had a vote in the election of the SHU president for this year!!!

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I hear what you are saying bruno but can you see how it looks from someone looking in from the outside. We had a similar situation where fifer was responding to any post that mentioned "SHU" with a rebusting of anything to do with the rpra, he later had to print an apology after it was highlighted he had actually voted to go and join the rpra when the going got tough in his his own fed, he also has a message on all his posts stating that delegates are messengers,  but will not state who mandated him to run to the the front of the stage with a solicitor`s letter at the shu agm.

 

you mention other feds in the same boat so prehaps you could tell us which ones you are talking about and what  criteria they meet in the rule book.

 

far more appropriate to change a rule or criteria than to break one just to satisfy ones own means.

 

 

The only similar situation I share with Fifer, [and the reason he chose in his own words 'wrongly' to  post attacks on the RPRA] was the constant attacks on this forum on the SHU. My choice was and is to question some of these attacks, and particularly the underlying motives behind them. For example the current spotlight on WoS in this thread has nothing to do with that Fed and everything to do with the removal of J Barlow as SHU President. I know that you have unresolved issues from Glasgow Fed days, but it's really a side show and if you are honest, really belongs in the past.

 

I reply in the same vein to your query on the other 4 Feds as I did in my reply to Me, and that is in support of what I've said about WoS and J Barlow, if it was an honest concern, then other Feds would be named too; and I'm sure these will also be discussed at Council together with the criteria under which they were granted Fed status..

 

Agree with what you say about compliance, and change when change is needed and I'm sure this will also be discussed at Council, with proposals for change put to the next AGM.

 

 

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bruno your post 70. you would have us believe that wos/dumbarton are not causing problems. you then go on to mention four other feds in the same position. surely this only highlights the depth of the problem. you would also have us believe that people have problems with a certain individual. this is not the case. the problem is clearly the way in which the situation has been manipulated to achieve a pre planned outcome. this has lead to making a mockery of the rules and the scottish pigeon fancy in general. like you i believe if this is what the membership wants then so be it. the situation with doos r us is such that he has fired terms such as bullshite at me and others and you somehow feel we should stand back in amazement. the content of a lot of his posts sre false and i intend to continue to rebuff his ravings to show up the real situation. like you say i am operating my freedom of choice to put another side to discussions i feel are not wholely representative of the feeling of pigeon fanciers in my area. if you feel that this in some way threatens you and that you should then revert to aggressive and demeaning language in an attempt to bully or coerce me then i am affraid you are barking up the wrong tree. you have repeatedly blocked postings in a vain attempt to put me off. i am too strong willed to be threatened or influenced by anyone as shallow as yourself. you have no position of strength or power. you appear to be a person who thrives on the idea of being a badge wearer. it would appear from disenchanted fanciers who know you that you would like to be a dictator or jumped authority of some kind. if your actions and comments on this forum are anything to go by i suggest you will have great difficulty in gaining the respect of your peers as it would seem you have no respect for yourself. i trust that you will understand that this post along with all my other posts are my own personal opinions and not that of anyone else. the final question is will you call a halt to the thread or will you delete the bits that hit home. you being a bully would lead me to believe the fact that people highlight your tendancies towards being a control freak combined with your own inability to consider the position of others would only sway you to believe that whatever you do you are right.

 

With respect, 99% of your posts are rantings. It is a pity that you constantly resort to that because, usually, within the remaining 1% there is something that can be debated.

 

But in my opinion, it is not really a debate that you are after. You put forward your own opinion as fact, and yours is the majority view; you put forward others' views [hearsay] as fact; and everything you put forward has a purely negative connotation, for example :

 

you would have us believe that wos/dumbarton are not causing problems. What problems are wos/dumbarton causing?  

 

"four other feds in the same position  surely this only highlights the depth of the problem" - again what problem are these 4 Feds causing?

 

you would also have us believe that people have problems with a certain individual. this is not the case. then why no similar witchhunt with the other 4 Feds?

 

he has fired terms such as bullshite at me and others and you somehow feel we should stand back in amazement. the content of a lot of his posts sre false and i intend to continue to rebuff his ravings to show up the real situation. You are a victim of your own double standards. Everybody is wrong except you. You alone hold the truth and are totally beyond questioning.. anyone who dares question you is guaranteed a rant like  if you feel that this in some way threatens you and that you should then revert to aggressive and demeaning language in an attempt to bully or coerce me then i am affraid you are barking up the wrong tree. you have repeatedly blocked postings in a vain attempt to put me off. i am too strong willed to be threatened or influenced by anyone as shallow as yourself. you have no position of strength or power. you appear to be a person who thrives on the idea of being a badge wearer. it would appear from disenchanted fanciers who know you that you would like to be a dictator or jumped authority of some kind. if your actions and comments on this forum are anything to go by i suggest you will have great difficulty in gaining the respect of your peers as it would seem you have no respect for yourself. which I find really rich coming as it does from someone who was turned out from their own club, fed & union, and in politics would be answered I need no lectures from the right [dis]honourable gentleman. You are indeed a victim of your own double standards, Johno and one pretty sick individual..

 

 

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johnos post was wrong i mearly corrected him on the oick up time as for greengrass comments the glw fed issue should be left in the past what joker it was him who started it after he would not admit it was j barlow they were after instead he slagged wos /dumbarton/you done it to glw /renfrew etc as i say 7th may get the brown tights ready mate

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bruno you continually fail to take anything on board. any postings i make i make based on what i know. no rumour. like other mere mortals i can be wrong in my assesment of any given situation. for you to use the language and ill inetentioned sub text in an attempt to ridicule me is not the actions of a so called educated individual. it only highlights your failings as a human being. you make claims about my own position when you have no knowledge of my situation what so ever. the idea that  because four other feds are breaking the rules somehow makes the current situation acceptable is ludicrous. as to my double standards i would be greatful if you could point to any of my postings where i have used language such as bullshite and other strong innappropriate language for a site such as this. this again highlights that anything is acceptable to you but the truth. i put it to you that you would have great difficulty in highlighting out and out lies in many if any of my postings. i attempt to highlight questionable situations making others aware of the facts as i see them. your dictatorial approach to life obviously gives you great problems with this. your obsessive and compulsive need to intervene and pass comment on all situations has left you in position where reality is hard for you to identify. the fact that you continually feel the need to take me on highlights your failings to sustain a mature and fair debate. i fail to see how someone with your experience and education is so hell bent in denying me the right to air my opinions. i am only a humble participant on the forum. i have no experience of dealing with human resources issues. i have no masters degrees. i did not in past take part in the local race equalty forum. i have not been a leader of men and woman as you have been in your past work. why do you feel so agitated and frustrated by me that you feel the need to attempt to label me as a sick person. have i missed something previously? do you have a medical qualification also. why do i annoy you so much. you always have to revert to the safety of the delete button. you hide behind the cloak of safety that you feel you have as a moderator. classic bullying tactics. i have no doubt and others have witnessed in the past that you will have no problem in closing this thread because someone will ask you to. you may even ask another moderator to intervene to save you further embarrassment. as to being turned out i am not a figure of amusement and ridicule in my local area. i have been told this is the opinion of you held by many of your fellow nw fed members. i have had personal pms on this site telling me so. one thing is for sure as long as there is life in me i will not stand by and watch wrongs being done and say nothing. i can assure you there is no witch hunt. the contrived situation within wos /club/ fed is wrong. if you and others are happy with it then so be it. i will maintain my right to post any facts as i see them. your previous bullying and continued underhand attempt at frightening me off will not stop me. your own high opinion of your capabilities and high handeed approach to all matters leaves you without many supporters. i know that deep deep down you know that i am right. you know that you cannot compete with my approach and this only feeds your obsessiion and craving for what you see as a victory. good luck to you with your doos. you would be well advised to spend more time with them than on this forum as with the pigeons you only highlight your deficiencies on a weekly basis. you are doing this 3 or 4 times daily on this forum. sincerely good luck with the pigeons.

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johnos post was wrong i mearly corrected him on the oick up time as for greengrass comments the glw fed issue should be left in the past what joker it was him who started it after he would not admit it was j barlow they were after instead he slagged wos /dumbarton/you done it to glw /renfrew etc as i say 7th may get the brown tights ready mate

 

DOOS R US I WAS AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND IF YOU THINK ALL THE COUNCIL IS TOGETHER ON THIS YOU ARE VERY MUCH MISTAKEN AS I THINK THEIR IS A LOT OF BAD FEELING BUT WE'LL WAIT AND SEE ON THE OUTCOME BUT AFTER THE LAST MEETING I THINK THEIR COULD HAVE BEEN SOME WHO VOTED THE SHU PRESIDENT IN WHO SHOULD'NT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO VOTE BECAUSE THEY DID'NT MEET SHU FEDERATION CRITERIA AS PER THE RULE BOOK THE PRESSIDENT HIMSELF IS INCLUDED IN THIS AS HE VOTED FOR HIMSELF!!!

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doos r us what was wrong about the post? the number of pigeons sent? the race point? the fact wos turned up with four panniers? 2 with no more than ten pigeons and 2 with around 22 in each. what exactly was wrong?

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my apologys on use of bullshite but its getting tiresome correcting your misinformation some things getting lost between clydebank and yourself if you would have asked i would i would have provided it lets try again 10 lofts sent 114 birds picked up promptly at 8 15 as arranged thanks

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i have said many time before we will abide by any shu decision at this time iam confident that the wos status will remain unchanged and it will be the members that will decide at the agm last post on the wos debate

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doos r us thank you for the apology.  the number of pigeons sent was never mentioned. the pick up time at dumbarton may well have been 8.15. the people who took the pigeons to the midland transporter did not put them on the transporter until 10.30. i am not questioning your right o act as your members choose. i am questioning the way in which you and your members allowed your selfs to be misused as a vehicle, unconstitutional, to allow the president of the shu to be your delegate to the shu. i am questioning the intention of jb to participate in flying pigeons in the wos club / fed. i am questioning your continual inaccurate postings. i am questioning your lack of fact in your postings. i am questioning your refusal to give a straight answer. i have pointed out five or six different things to you. you respond to one or two and say i am wrong. poor show. then again your choice.

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