MAN WITH NO BIRDS

[ch pied]

 

I remember that one over there perhaps you should give bit of advice on how you catch someone who is cheating

bird's never even left the loft , he replaced the entry form with a sheet made out for the bird's still in loft after race marking

 

 

[ch pied]

sammy , if you read my post iam refering to the cheating thet went on over here , for the case of the SHU they will have to carry out a proper investgation , to establish in which manner that cheating was or was not done , we have been down this road , and proven a case

[sammy]

sammy , if you read my post iam refering to the cheating thet went on over here , for the case of the SHU they will have to carry out a proper investgation , to establish in which manner that cheating was or was not done , we have been down this road , and proven a case

 

sorry about that ch pied misunderstood your post and that is why it was deleted

[ch pied]

no prob's sammy ,

[sammy]

no prob's sammy ,

 

cheers m8

[I]

cheq pied i remember a case from your area involving a mr campbell if i am not mistaken, and if i remember he had a lot of positions and had access to all he needed to carry out his desperate deeds.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

been reading watching this thread for a while and personally think this is TRIAL BY MEADIA no one has given any definite PROOF  that this man has been cheating as Gangster said put it on the table and let us all see THE PROOF but there aint anyone got the GUTS to show us all proof all hearsay ,and why has all the GOVERNING  BODIES all washed their hand s of said scandal/cheating one thing spring to mind is NO EVEIDENCE ,so as another post said is it not better to get our house in order and stop bickering and put this crap behind us and move on and bring the doo game into the future ,i have been a supporter of the SNFC  all my pigeon life and since this has came to light of what i do not know about and dont want to know about has made me change my mind about the GREATEST  club that i have had the pleasure of beeing a member being dragged down to the lowest by so called people who think they have the interest of the club at heart and come on here and talk PURE P----  as that it what it is LOOK IN THE MIRROR and see what you are doing ,TRIAL BY INTERNET ,GUILTY ,TRIAL BY SHU ,SNFC ,NO EVEIDENCE  so gentelmen who is dragging the GREAT name of the SNFC through the mud YOU ARE by putting posts up here like this one THINK ABOUT LADS ,all the best to all you guys who have sent pigeions to the l,ong races this weekend  

 

Sammy

 

You are correct sammy both these organisations i.e SNFC and North west fed are in the gutter at present why because the man in question is President,race contoller,pro, committee member and also transport manager of at least one if not the two so he is the common denominator in why these organisations are at the lowest point that they have ever been if he had been any sort of gentleman of the sport at all he would have took a step back from all aspects of power and showed us if he could win without the power. It has took this turn because someone who threatens legal action and then gets things hushed up by these actions are no more than scum of the earth with something to hide.

The sooner that it gets to the SHU the better because it is quite obvious that with the postions that Gibson has at fed and National level not one of his fellow offcials has got the strenght to go against him.

 

I believe that once this case has been dealt with at the highest level you will see the evidence that is against him unless you were to stumble across it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Merlin]

  

Been reading this thread since it started,and my own opinion,is its very easy to understand the anger of most of these fanciers posting,they know quite well things are wrong ,big time,but with the hierarchy apparently for what it appears to be possibily a counter threat of law,the relevent people do nothing ,hoping it will go away,it wont,there are two proper channels in place,and if their Clubs,Feds,Combines,Nationals dont act,they will have to form a body themselves and act,  cheating cannot be allowed to flourish,or prosper it makes a mockery of most fanciers beliefs,but knowing someone is guilty,and facts to back this up in what would eventually be a court of law,are alike as chalk and cheese,but personally I would rather be wrong in a court of law,than back down on what is really the truth,otherwise the very essence of honesty,competiveness,sport,decency,and so much more is void in these instances, the other course being that they will walk away having nothing more to do with this man,or those who appear to condone such actions by their silence, again this is my opinion as a pigeon fancier,and a Homo Sapien.

[johno]

a lot of sense merlin.

[Guest]

 

A bit of corruption in your post George. Was responding to Gareth's post that a basket couldn't be found. This is the first that I have heard that none of your baskets had any labels. One wrong basket number might be put down to a slip of the pen. This certainly can't. There was originally only one member's bird(s) involved, now you reveal there were many members' birds. Was the whole transporter re-marked then?

 

 

1.as i said our baskets left dundee with the labels on.

2.no

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

  

Been reading this thread since it started,and my own opinion,is its very easy to understand the anger of most of these fanciers posting,they know quite well things are wrong ,big time,but with the hierarchy apparently for what it appears to be possibily a counter threat of law,the relevent people do nothing ,hoping it will go away,it wont,there are two proper channels in place,and if their Clubs,Feds,Combines,Nationals dont act,they will have to form a body themselves and act,  cheating cannot be allowed to flourish,or prosper it makes a mockery of most fanciers beliefs,but knowing someone is guilty,and facts to back this up in what would eventually be a court of law,are alike as chalk and cheese,but personally I would rather be wrong in a court of law,than back down on what is really the truth,otherwise the very essence of honesty,competiveness,sport,decency,and so much more is void in these instances, the other course being that they will walk away having nothing more to do with this man,or those who appear to condone such actions by their silence, again this is my opinion as a pigeon fancier,and a Homo Sapien.

 

Very well put Merlin and 100% correct.

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

Perhaps your remark would be better aimed at those who have persisted in that allegation - they seem not to know where the birds were marked. I have already posted elsewhere where the birds were marked that year.

 

As early as post 17 on this thread Gareth, the finger has been pointed at Boness. This follows instances of similar allegations on previous threads.  You knew that this marking station was not involved with this man's birds that year. I pointed out to you that you knew, yet you still see no need to clear Boness of any wrong doing? Is that your idea of honesty and integrity?

 

 

You claim you did not start it, well you did, you set the ball rolling when you asked for an investigation based on rumour. You allowed those  rumours to run wild, and even now given the opportunity to set the record straight for at least one group of people who have been wrongly implicated in this, you don't see the need?  Yet you still believe that you are a well-respected fancier? Is that a good instance of your well balanced view? Don't you know you have made us all a right laughing stock?

 

POST 17

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again never said anything about boness so if you feel the need for the station to get a pardon/cleared seek somewhere else as i have never set foot in it so i do not feel that it has to clear itself of anything.

 

 

 

As for quote 17 never noticed it as have Family, work and pigeons to deal with so forgive me if  i do not pick up on every quote.

 

The thread itself was started to the best of my knowledge because Gibson had sent pigeons to this weeks race now what you want to twist the thread into is upto you but dont bring my Honesty and integrity into your judgement.

 

You talk about laughing stock at the end of your quote, well you are doing that all by yourself, ask the members of your own fed and they will verify.

 

PS

Seems you are running on empty so is this you trying to avert the attention away from the fact that you are starting to realise that you have backed a looser.

 

 

 

 

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

 

So how under your rules up there do you eventually get something to be heard in front of the shu have you no way of appealing against any decisions made by a club or whatever

 

Yes there is a process Rose that eventuly leads to it going to the Scottish Homing Union but it should have been dealt with at fed level within Hours of this case coming to light.

 

 

[frank-123]

the rules up in here in Scotland need an overhaul i think rose

Sammy  the snfc/north west fed are bringing the sport into disrepute by not investigating this matter maybe the snfc lost it's true leaders when they left to form the snrpc

for two years in scotland this man has been accused of cheating

a strong leadership would investegate theses claims to clear this man's name

so why would this man not welcome an investigation if it was me they would be welcome to sit around my back door anytime they wished or follow the transpoter

any way i could clear my name to end all this speculation

i would take the lie detector test

but then again i know i dont cheat so i have nothing to hide has this man???????      

[Delboy]

  

Been reading this thread since it started,and my own opinion,is its very easy to understand the anger of most of these fanciers posting,they know quite well things are wrong ,big time,but with the hierarchy apparently for what it appears to be possibily a counter threat of law,the relevent people do nothing ,hoping it will go away,it wont,there are two proper channels in place,and if their Clubs,Feds,Combines,Nationals dont act,they will have to form a body themselves and act,  cheating cannot be allowed to flourish,or prosper it makes a mockery of most fanciers beliefs,but knowing someone is guilty,and facts to back this up in what would eventually be a court of law,are alike as chalk and cheese,but personally I would rather be wrong in a court of law,than back down on what is really the truth,otherwise the very essence of honesty,competiveness,sport,decency,and so much more is void in these instances, the other course being that they will walk away having nothing more to do with this man,or those who appear to condone such actions by their silence, again this is my opinion as a pigeon fancier,and a Homo Sapien.

 

your spot on Merlin

 

[ch pied]

cheq pied i remember a case from your area involving a mr campbell if i am not mistaken, and if i remember he had a lot of positions and had access to all he needed to carry out his desperate deeds.

yes sir , a sad case.

 

 

[johno]

is there any concrete tangible evidence the person in question has entered birds in this weeks alencon race and if so can it be shown for all to see?

[gangster]

until something is done about this sad situation im of the opinion that the thread is locked, to save further fall outs and inuendos happpening, ..WHATS REALLY SAD FROM MY POINT OF VIEW IS THE SITUATION IS DISTRACTING FROM SOME DAMN FINE PERFORMANCES BEING FLOWN UP IN SCOTLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johno]

so we lock any difficult threads. this forum may be the only route to airing situations like this. individuals are responsible for their own postings. where has freedom of speech went?

[xtccock]

freedom of speech

TOTALY AGREE

 

 

DO NOT LOCK THREAD.         best read ever!!!!!!!!

[gangster]

ANSWER ..NO.....BUT DO YOU SUGGEST IT RUNS ON AND ON ????....AS ITS GOING NOWHERE EVEN A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THAT OR CAN YOU NOT???.........FREEDOM OF SPEECH HAS NOT GONE.......

[gangster]

AND THE POST IS STAYING OPEN....UNLESS IT GETS SILLY..

[gangster]

and I thought BIG BROTHER was enternaining!!!!!!!!!

 

...NO SPITTING IN CASE SOMEONE CRIES.... :P :P

[fairdoos]

AND I THOUGHT BIG BROTHER WAS ENTERTAINING !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[johno]

the individual is reponsible for their posts. people should be acutely aware that this an open access platform open to a worldwide audience. that is what the internet is all about. i think!