jakjak Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Scenario: 2 members of a pigeon club almost come to 'blows' (over a minor issue) how does a pigeon club deal with this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 look in the RPRA rules under ungentlemanly conduct and follow procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 take them out side and sort both them out lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 sounds like both parties need 2 issue apologies via bhw/rp.....and grow up n put there handbags away!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAGIN Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Show both parties the yellow card and no nonsense about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Depends if they were both as bad as each other (no bullying) I think they should apologise to the members at the next club meeting, shake hands and get on with racing pigeons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADE Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 never seen the point of apologies in bhw/rp. what good does that do? arguments happen in clubs all the time but some take things far too serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakjak Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Depends if they were both as bad as each other (no bullying) I think they should apologise to the members at the next club meeting, shake hands and get on with racing pigeons. 1 member 'went too far' with an attempted assault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Issue them both an RPRA rule book and get them to read section on ungentlemanly conduct, warn them of procedure and if it continues, implement the rules.. Or confiscate their handbags and give them both back their dummies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 169. If any organisation wishes to examine the conduct of a member with a view to taking disciplinary action against him/her under the provisions of Rule 70, a meeting must be convened within 28 days of the dispute arising, the secretary of the Organisation shall convene a general meeting of the Organisation or, if the Rules of the Organisation so prescribe, the committee of the Organisation for that purpose and shall give not less than 7 days notice in writing to the member and to all members of the Organisation or the committee, as appropriate, stating the date, place and time at which the meeting is to be held. The notice shall also state the charges made against the member or the circumstances which the meeting proposes to investigate and the secretary shall inform him/her, at the same time as giving him/her the notice of the meeting, that he/she will be entitled to put his/her case to the meeting and to be represented at the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 70. (a) If any member of the Association shall be guilty of any dishonourable conduct or of conduct which renders him unfit to be a member of any Organisation or the Association or wilfully breaks the Rules of any Organisation or these Rules or refuses to comply with any decision of an Organisation or the Association upon any matters affecting the sport of racing or showing homing pigeons, he may be excluded from membership of that Organisation or expelled or suspended from the Association by the Organisation, any such suspension to be of such duration as the Organisation shall determine. The procedure to be adopted by any Organisation in any matter which may lead to the exclusion, expulsion or suspension of a member shall be that specified in the Association’s Standard Rules for adoption by all affiliated Organisations under the heading ‘Grievances and Disciplinary Matters’. ( It shall be the right of any affiliated Organisation to exclude, suspend or expel any person who is a member of a Club which is a member of the affiliated Organisation, under the provision of this Rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Thats 75% of members on here gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 a few years ago we had a good sec and her husband and also an idiot member who on a weekly basis would cause nothing but trouble it all came 2 a head when he threatened the secs husband in a meeting, i then had a word in the members ear....who went very quiet.....upon the end of the meeting the idiot clipped me on the head and asked me 2 step outside...unfortunatley for him i readily accepted...i dont take no pride in sorting him but we seen a new member thee after and he apologised for his bullying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 1 member 'went too far' with an attempted assault Bullying/Intimidation should not be tolerated under any circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
degi Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 every club organisasion has got its , big mouths , idiots, bullies, trouble makers . let the people that are the, peacifiers , the lawyers ,the spokes person , the hard hitters , sort them out. in the end they will get what they deserve. ;D ;D ;D :B :B :B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Scenario: 2 members of a pigeon club almost come to 'blows' (over a minor issue) how does a pigeon club deal with this problem? boxing gloves, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grizzler Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 bang em heads together :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 1 member 'went too far' with an attempted assaultThere's no such thing as attempted assault Adam, you either assault or you don't, just different levels. When it comes to reporting ungentlemanly conduct even being abusive on here to another member can be common assault and get a member put before the RPRA or even Police for that. Some people are just so arrogant they don't account for the rules and laws and how they can work for or against you. For example shouting at someone in a particular fashion can be taken as common assault as can pointing at someone in a threatening manner. The stages then go up as it progresses until it reaches full out section 18 assault which carries a life sentence. Tony C gave a good answer that it shouldn't be tolerated, get the bully or big mouth punished because he probably thinks as most big mouths do that they are above the law and can get away with what they do, take him all the way no two ways about it. People these days think they can get away with things like mouthing off because the other party wouldn't dare take action or doesn't know how to, teach the man (or mouse) a lesson and set an example by getting him thrown out of racing, best way to hurt him. I'm getting pissed off with the number of so called 'untouchable' bullies and big mouths I'm seeing in this sport and if you need help in getting rid of one just let me know and I'll gladly help. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mick bowler Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 a few years ago we had a good sec and her husband and also an idiot member who on a weekly basis would cause nothing but trouble it all came 2 a head when he threatened the secs husband in a meeting, i then had a word in the members ear....who went very quiet.....upon the end of the meeting the idiot clipped me on the head and asked me 2 step outside...unfortunatley for him i readily accepted...i dont take no pride in sorting him but we seen a new member thee after and he apologised for his bullying... Clipped you on the head , i'm afraid i would'nt even made it outside!! Some only understand one language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Lol some of the answers on here seem to be over reactions.To many people want to get people thrown out of racing. Just tell the pair of them to grow up and shut up if they cant talk to each other civally then just ignore each other i am assuming they are both adults so tell them to act like it. If you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all springs to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mick bowler Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Lol some of the answers on here seem to be over reactions.To many people want to get people thrown out of racing. Just tell the pair of them to grow up and shut up if they cant talk to each other civally then just ignore each other i am assuming they are both adults so tell them to act like it. If you have nothing nice to say then say nothing at all springs to mind. and have you ever had anyone in your face hurling abuse at you at making threats to you and your family? Shake his hand, ermmmm no! This guy was threatening an assault, thats not any thing to do with pigeons, he crossed the line and made it personal! Fanciers like this better off out the sport IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 and have you ever had anyone in your face hurling abuse at you at making threats to you and your family? Shake his hand, ermmmm no! This guy was threatening an assault, thats not any thing to do with pigeons, he crossed the line and made it personal! Fanciers like this better off out the sport IMO. Thers two sides to very argument Mick and its easy to give advice when i'm sat behind a pc if it was me being threatened i would of Hit him then dealt with the consquences later.Lol but in hind sight i would be saying i shouldve ignored him again we dont know all the fact's .And yes i have had people in my face like that and one occaision i did shake his hand just as i was pulling his face into my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 and have you ever had anyone in your face hurling abuse at you at making threats to you and your family? Shake his hand, ermmmm no! This guy was threatening an assault, thats not any thing to do with pigeons, he crossed the line and made it personal! Fanciers like this better off out the sport IMO. I have but not in my face, sadly they wouldn't dare. > > > I'm *expletive removed* if I'd agree to shake the hand of a bully so I agee with you 100%. the best way to do it is to hit them where it hurts most and that's by getting them banned and out of the sport the proper way even if it does hurt your pride doing it that way. :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red1chq3 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I feel this public fourm is not the place to discuss this issue. you need to be carful about discussion club busnisses otuside of the club and committee level, this is an issue that should be delt with at committee level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I feel this public fourm is not the place to discuss this issue. you need to be carful about discussion club busnisses otuside of the club and committee level, this is an issue that should be delt with at committee levelWhy? Nobody has mentioned any club and all that was asked by JakJak was for advice and opinions which he's duly got, clearly he feels he can't ask his clubmates or maybe even committee or perhaps doesn't want to burden them? Who knows but he certainly isn't doing any harm here. :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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