Swollen Knee

[buster151]

I have a bird who's knee joint has swollen badly any ideas please? as far as I'm aware it hasn't knocked it

[greenlands]

sent you a pm mate.

 

Lindsay

[buster151]

Thank you

[Guest geordiejen]

if you dont know how it got this then it could be e-coli.however we cannot say what it is specifically only a guess.

[Guest IB]

Just want to make sure what joint you are talking about. You wouldn't normally see the bird's knee, its the 3rd joint up from the toes. Can't think why that joint would be swollen, but cause might be injury rather than infection?

[buster151]

the one about half way up the leg that bends, thats why I described it as the knee

[Guest bigda]

it could be broken

[buster151]

it could be broken

thats what I thought but hes been in a crate for about 2 months after knocking his wing

[Guest H@wkBait]

r u sure he bumped his wing n it didnt just swell at 1 the joints as the knee has if so could be onset off salmonella

[Guest IB]

the one about half way up the leg that bends, thats why I described it as the knee

 

Compared to our own leg, the bird has an extra joint. The one that bends the same direction as ours is the knee. Thats very high up. The one that bends the opposite way to ours is the ankle. Check the diagram and the description on the leg here:-

 

http://fsc.fernbank.edu/Birding/skeleton.htm

[Guest IB]

thats what I thought but hes been in a crate for about 2 months after knocking his wing

 

Why was the bird confined for that length of time? Is the bird out now, wing fully mended and flying out? Remember legs take one hell of pounding on landing, and the bird 'springs & jumps' into the air at take off. If its out, could be a knock.

[buster151]

Compared to our own leg, the bird has an extra joint. The one that bends the same direction as ours is the knee. Thats very high up. The one that bends the opposite way to ours is the ankle. Check the diagram and the description on the leg here:-

 

http://fsc.fernbank.edu/Birding/skeleton.htm

yes it is the one that bend the opposite way, he knocked his wing on the door it wasnt fully open and a lump came up on it, stopping him from flying that's why he was in crate, every time the lump went down and he was put back with others to fly out it came back up, so left him in crate

 

r u sure he bumped his wing n it didnt just swell at 1 the joints as the knee has if so could be onset off salmonella

yes I was there when it did it

[Tony C]

r u sure he bumped his wing n it didnt just swell at 1 the joints as the knee has if so could be onset off salmonella

 

My thoughts too. Believe in coincidence at your peril.

[buster151]

My thoughts too. Believe in coincidence at your peril.

I did say I was there when he bumped wing

[Tony C]

OK Buster, be on your guard though................ http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/16879-paratyphoid-can-it-be-stopped/page__hl__Paratyphoid

[Guest H@wkBait]

thats what I thought but hes been in a crate for about 2 months after knocking his wing

Why did you decide to take the bird out the loft and put it in a crate it would have been better in the loft or in a nestbox where it can exercise its damaged wing if you know for a fact it was just a bump i suspect salmonella a boy in our club had salmonella and the vet told him there was no need to cull his pigeons it could be treated but the best option from the vet was to let them get over it themsels you will lose alot birds but ul never have salmonella in your loft again aslong as u dont add new stock to the loft in the end his wife had the final say and all the birds were culled

[buster151]

Why did you decide to take the bird out the loft and put it in a crate it would have been better in the loft or in a nestbox where it can exercise its damaged wing if you know for a fact it was just a bump i suspect salmonella a boy in our club had salmonella and the vet told him there was no need to cull his pigeons it could be treated but the best option from the vet was to let them get over it themsels you will lose alot birds but ul never have salmonella in your loft again aslong as u dont add new stock to the loft in the end his wife had the final say and all the birds were culled

because he wasn't able to fly and the others were chasing him round the floor, so he was trying to fly and probably doing more damage

[buster151]

OK Buster, be on your guard though................ http://forum.pigeonbasics.org/topic/16879-paratyphoid-can-it-be-stopped/page__hl__Paratyphoid

thank you for the link

[Guest IB]

because he wasn't able to fly and the others were chasing him round the floor, so he was trying to fly and probably doing more damage

 

You were right to remove the bird in the first instance because it will just get bullied as you say. But IMO you confined it for too long. I'd a bird with a wound on its wing which was stitched by a vet. I'd to confine him for 3 days and take him back for examination. The wound had healed so I was told to get him back on the wing as soon as possible, within 3 days, which I did. The only other case I had was a bird that broke her wing (the equivalent of our lower arm). The radius - the smaller of the two bones that form this part - was broken and would heal naturally. He used the ulna, the larger bone of the two as a natural splint and bandaged the birds wing up. She had to be confined for 3 weeks. After that I was to remove the bandage and get her back on the wing, which I did, and she flew right away. So your bird should have been well over this knock and you need to get it back on the wing. If it still can't fly - and has now developed another problem - you have given it your best shot, and its now time to remove it.

[buster151]

You were right to remove the bird in the first instance because it will just get bullied as you say. But IMO you confined it for too long. I'd a bird with a wound on its wing which was stitched by a vet. I'd to confine him for 3 days and take him back for examination. The wound had healed so I was told to get him back on the wing as soon as possible, within 3 days, which I did. The only other case I had was a bird that broke her wing (the equivalent of our lower arm). The radius - the smaller of the two bones that form this part - was broken and would heal naturally. He used the ulna, the larger bone of the two as a natural splint and bandaged the birds wing up. She had to be confined for 3 weeks. After that I was to remove the bandage and get her back on the wing, which I did, and she flew right away. So your bird should have been well over this knock and you need to get it back on the wing. If it still can't fly - and has now developed another problem - you have given it your best shot, and its now time to remove it.

thank you for all the helpful replies you have given, and yes you might be right on the removal