Silly Calzaghe

[Roland]

Isn't it such a shame that Joe has now resorted to childish behaviour regards Carl Froch!

Seems he wants the limelight there too ... but no piece of him in the ring (He isn't that daft obviously).

Would for the past 6 years fight him. But now calls him.

Carl only ever gave Joe respect in all that time waiting for a bout with him.

  He has demeaned himself badly this time, and was very ill advised i believe to start that jealousy mode.

In America Joe was always a 'Joke' and called the nearly man'. He nearly fought someone with breathe in their body' He nearly fought a name... He nearly never hurt his hand in sparing ... especially when it was to be a name he was to fight'!

This silly Tirade will now mean he will become the nearly man here also.

  Carl quite rightly points out that Joe only slaps for 12 rounds and could never hurt him. Also Joe calling Pascaley is uncalled for, for the fact is, he is another that would take him to the cleaners, too hard and fast, and certainly too hard a puncher.

Lets look back when Joe first hit the scene will a Eubanks coming out of retirement for the second time!  Collins was around....

Now take Hopkins... 43 coming out of retirement of 2 years. Roy Jones a skeleton of his former self.. and the hard fights he'd had with TOP heavyweights.... Taylor Toney,  etc. etc. never happened.

Lucas... proves he was never a class act! Why, BECAUSE again he never came back of as of yet entered even the ring against a 'Body' just No bodies.

Why did Joe side step Froch Because of good management, and being put into his rightful place.

Same as Hatton and Witter he Hatton  - and don't worry I'd say it to his face have no fear of that next time I see him - Has been asked on my behalf too -

Witter won British, European and the proper World title. Fought any and everyone that would get in the ring with him. Mayweather was suppose to, like a couple more, but wouldn't.

Hatton never won a proper title, not even the British, the Commonwealth etc. etc. and has only held the Cardboard 'Kelloggs' versions. Clever, he gets £20,000.000 for the Mayweather Fight, then fights a bum. Will fight a Jaded Manny Pascaunian (Still looks good)that is fast ... was really a great Flyweight Champion 10 Years ago! And Bantam then featherwieght champion.  Good but old, though still fast.

then a swansong with a courageous put up fight again against Mayweather where the most likely outcome will be a contrived draw to finish his carer with. Who can blame him! Certainly not i, and every power to his elbow as I wish him every success and £ he earns.... But to bad mouth Witter and say he has never fought any body is a joke. To say he hasn't earnt a shot is ludicrous. To say he won't fight him because Witter bad mouths him is pathetic. To say 'I see no reason to give Wiiter a big pay day' it is chilish and again pathetic, yet symbolic of him.

If he, like Calzaghe, said. 'Yes I admire him, believe he is an undoubted great fighter, and who knows we may yet meet, as of this moment in time he isn't in our planned future, or fight program be cause I FEEL THE NEED TO FIGHT '''''' ,,,,, ETC. ETC. BUT never say never, it may well happen in the future, we'll have to wait and see....'

Yes both were and are right not to fight the likes of Witter, and Joe's real opponents... Hatton wouldn't have been in the ring with the likes of Mayweather and £20 million fights... but to belittle as an excuse fools no one in the know... Yes Joe public, and he pays their wages...

 

[gangster]

sorry but i disagree why does hatton need 2 fight witter that would never be a defining fight in my eyes, witter yes not a bad fighter by any standards but just does not come up to real world class as he proved when being slapped about 2 defeat not 2 long ago..most of its boxing management keeping fighters apart.....its not going 2 happen im afraid......i  would love 2 see it because i think hatton would do him no problem but thats my opinion..................as for joe yes he has spent years claiming  people were avoiding him so id like 2 see him n carl get it on.....

[Roland]

Exactly Gangster, my point entirely Hatton doesn't need to fight Witter .... Never has. But to decry and give silly reasons to camaflage the truth is senile.

When my sons etc. went to Hattons do ... I couldn't make it. The first thing Hatton said was 'I will not answer any questions regarding Witter ....' And then appoligised. the simple reality is like you say He doesn't need to... Indeed if he had he'd be a lot poorer bankwise than he is now. Mutters, now, that it may be his last fight... but no one, even he of course, never believes that.

As for Witter fighting 'World Class' that is also the very point He has not only fought them, but beat them ... where as - outside of Mayweather who rengaded twice on his fights with Witter Hatton has actualy fought a world class genuine top fighter.

Witter came back and beat Harris for example... Believe Mick you are reading the wrong News papers and publicity.

Niether fights will happen.

But I know one thing, any true champion has FOUGHT all and any, especialy when they have a name pulled through the muck.

Hatton stated hat fighting Witter wouldn't pay good!

Wrong on two accounts.

One they would come to see him beat Witter! And 2 the claim about giving Witter an undeserved pay day was floored when Witter challenged.

Winner takes all... And if i win I will give it all to any named charity.

So the claim of a Big pay day for some one that bad mouths me was never a issue.

Why didn't Hatton fight for the British Title, the European title etc. etc. Simple, because there was always some one or 2 or 3 FIGHTER TOO GOOD FOR HIM.

Can't see hagler / duran Roninson etc. etc. ducking and diving and spouting untruths now did we... The reason why I'd never let either fight them names was because it would cost them real dear when they lost! And that wouldn't be good managerment.

Nice to disagree with you Mick though, and you are right ... for the wrong essence in their reasoning.

[Tenny]

WHERE DOES THIS RELATE TO PIGEON RACING THEN/.

 

[gangster]

a bit of frendly discussion is stimulating i think and does no harm and its no big thing that its not pigeons......roland i think calzagie would have been de-throned by  steve collins but for a scan that showed up things on steve......i also believe robin ried beat calzagie in there fight,,

[ChrisMaidment08]

WHERE DOES THIS RELATE TO PIGEON RACING THEN/.

 

pigeons what that its christmas so its anything ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Roland]

You see, true great--- as to Manufactured and perceived with clever Tabloids / media – never bothered what name they fought or when. NONE made excuses as to why they wouldn’t didn’t. .

The list is endless. Heavies who took on all comers were the likes of Ali / Johnson / Joe Louis (unfortunately the war years did him no favours, but that can’t be held against him, Frazier Marciano, even George Foreman and Holyfield fought all and any, and every name. Dempsey, Bowe, Tysom etc. didn’t!

Hagler, Monzon etc. Sugar Ray, Lennard, Hearns, Duran etc. etc. did! Their names will be forever remember and in lights.

Even not so great – as on the world scene ducked or dived etc. Like Patterson – really just a great middleweight, but went against Gus Dematoe etc. Liston – another great, but so hugely unpopular and paid the price… so yes the ‘Managers shield the not so greats and quite rightly so.

Boxers like Froch and Witter hurt with any and every punch, so the best any ne can do is win get hurt over a tough fight! Hatton is great for the sport and public. He wears his heart on his sleeve for all to see.

Ask Minter, another that was begged not to fight Hagler for the very above reason.

The list is endless, Pep V sadley etc. many spring to mind.

Howard Winstone, like Buchanun fought any… and paid the price.

Hatton, and Joe won’t / didn’t make the same mistakes… But my point is ‘Don’t try and belittle better fighters for own ego’s. Yes they will look back and wished ‘If only … then look at the £millions and say… ‘But it had to be that way!

[Guest]

Now your talking Roland the Eddie Thomas stable, in Penydarren. Eddie was not only a great trainer but a great man. He became a coal merchant in later life and sold to the elderly at nearly cost!! I remember going to his  house in Edward St Caeraca when I was no more than 6/7 playing with young Eddie.

Eddie Jnr carried on the coal trade a lovely man, though last I saw him was in '89 don't know whether he's still going. And don't forget the other Merthyr man (his trainer was from Bargoed can't remember his name) the tragic matchstick man, a brave boy and a sad death.

[Fair Play]

Johnny Owen!

[Guest]

Johnny Owen!

 

That's right I can remember getting up that sunday morning and hearing the awful news , he was an incredible boxer nothing of him.

Do you know I can't remember the name of the other great fighter in the Penydarren stable, the lad from Gorseinon, bloody senile!!

[Guest]

I know Colin Jones!

[Roland]

Yes Albear, Name leaves me for a mo... Bantam wieght or such.... Owen of course.

Was in Phil Edwards house once - Swansea would one believe ... where he was telling me that the first time he fought Terry Downes he struggled on the toilet for around 2 months after such was the severe pain. But the couragous man fought him again -Titles of coure at stake, and swears he tried his darnest to get up of his stool for the 15th round! Downes had remained standing. Downes was also out on his feet.

His shorts were already red... and he peed blood for 3 months after, cuased by the terrible body (Kidney) punches he had endured.

HE had turned pro at 16 by the way, and eventual lost to a local mate of mine at Leicester. He said I decided then and there to pack up .. if a (poor) boxer like George **** can beat me, then the write was not only on the wall, but set in cement!

Met Eddie Thomas, he was a true gent. Was a mate of our Trainer / manager. And many more.

Also vernon Thomas who was then the WABC secretary. The first time I fought against Wales, believe this believe it not, was against a coloured lad called Paddy Murphy.

Driscoll, Jimmy Wilde and Joe erskine were greats... Dick Richardson I met too. But for me the greatest heavey wieghts in Britain was Tommy Farr and Len Harvey, in any order ... till Bugner came along of course! the most underestimated by far was Brian London, who never had a manager, and never took a day of for the fights even, let alone train like a pro.

[Roland]

Ah see the name has also been put up, must have been when I had me head down spew out lol.

[Roland]

I know Colin Jones!

 

Great heart and good hard puncher.

[Guest]

Gosh Roland yes Tommy Farr was a legend, did you know Howard punchy Davies another Merthyr cruiserweight who was as hard as Thomas but didn't have the brain.

My father loves his boxing so used to watch the early TV fights with him. My earliest I remember ended as a brawl it was at Coney Beach Porhcawl, I'm pretty sure it was Richardson and London?? But you'll know I'm sure. Always remember going to school when Cassius Clay beat Sonny Liston couldn't believe it!!! I thought Liston was the greatest after beating Johanson. But what an era for heavywights the Muhamid Ali years were, for me that was the great era of boxing

[Merlin]

But back to original,the good ones always showed respect to opponents,and never dodged anyone for any reason,to day its mostly about managers,and their shrewdness as to how successful their charges in 80% of cases will be,as for a fight between Calzagie and Froch,not in this life for obvious reasons

[Roland]

Yes Albear, it was Ponty Davis, who was in his time just a bantam wieght - who jumped in the ring and mouthed of at Brian London. A inmature - obviously - amateur that climbed in a stuck one on London.  He stuck one on London, nary a Flinch London head butted him. Ponty was firin them in from all angles - But London daren't hit him and totally ignore the punches, but i bet they stung lol - and then he a Richardson had a mother of all Sunday brawl.

Richardson was big good looking tough fighter.

Was losing his title that made Cooper. Cooper was down 2 - 3 times when Richardsson looked over him. When he got up he was facing away from Richardson who was nonchalent thinking the fight was over when Henry swung round and hit him Cold. He went Sparko and COOPER was handed the fight in the 6th round (I believe it was the sixth) The rest is history, Cooper became a great - though terribly shielded - ambasserdor for the sport.-Would never have lived with Farr etc.

But greats that fought greats, regardless who won, BOTH

[Roland]

Yes Albear, it was a certain Ponty Davis, who was, in his time, just a bantam weight - who jumped in the ring and mouthed of at Brian London. A immature - obviously - amateur that climbed in a stuck one on London. One night of fame, for he was never heard of realistically again, forget his name now lol.  He stuck one on London, nary a Flinch from London who head butted him. Ponty was firing them in from all angles - But London daren't hit him and totally ignore the punches, but I bet they stung lol - and then he and Richardson had a mother of all Sunday brawl.

Richardson was a big good-looking tough fighter, who hated training lol.

Who was easily retaining his title, in the fight that made Cooper. Cooper was down 2 - 3 times when Richardson looked over him. When he got up he was facing away from Richardson who was nonchalant thinking the fight was over when Henry swung round and hit him with what was to become his famed ‘Hammer’ Out Cold. He went Sparko and COOPER was handed the fight in the 6th round (I believe it was the sixth) The rest is history, Cooper became a great - though terribly shielded - ambassador for the sport.-Would never have lived with the likes Farr etc.

But greats that fought greats, regardless who won, BOTH mde names of honour, and wealthy livelihoods  - depending which Manager / Promoter was screwing them.

[Roland]

But back to original,the good ones always showed respect to opponents,and never dodged anyone for any reason,to day its mostly about managers,and their shrewdness as to how successful their charges in 80% of cases will be,as for a fight between Calzagie and Froch,not in this life for obvious reasons

 

So very true ... but isn't just the case that the one that daren't / won't take the fight that resorts to bad - mouthng! Guilt conscoius? Obviously to cover the truth. Not saying frightened to get into the ring with them personally, but mainly to protect their next fortune fight they wouldn't get when they lost! Which they knew there was a high risk of doing just that.

[Roland]

WHERE DOES THIS RELATE TO PIGEON RACING THEN/.

 

Where does this site page say anything about pigeons! It is - when you get around to noticing it - for any topic that is NOT for Pigeons.

Hope that helps you to understand.

[sammy]

 

Where does this site page say anything about pigeons! It is - when you get around to noticing it - for any topic that is NOT for Pigeons.

Hope that helps you to understand.

 

keep it comming roland great topic and really enjoying it   ;)

[gangster]

I know Colin Jones!

 

wow now ya talking  colin was a warrior for sure ill never forget his fight with don curry were he got a real bad cut on his nose...that man was as hard as nails.......

[Guest casbri]

how has this about calzaghi got on pigeon basics.thought this site was about pigeons ????????

[gangster]

i dont see it doing any harm very interesting topic

[Roland]

how has this about calzaghi got on pigeon basics.thought this site was about pigeons ????????

 

Go away and stop being silly!

Read the rules and get a life eh! :P ;D ;D ;D