The Miners Strike

[Roland]

Paulo, they didn't start the war... it was contried via her and Reagan to enable her to set up Stockades to protect the minerals / Gold / Wealththat have to pass the Ascention Island etc.

the Argentinians  did barter etc. etc. Further, then Why not protest more vigously against the Americans and their murdering 3000 Granadians because they wanted a stretegic point against Cummonism. Now that was 3 times more that the whole of the hibatians of the Falklanks put together! Loyal subject etc. that Fought with us, and which most of us had actually heard of!

[Guest Paulo]

Paulo, they didn't start the war... it was contried via her and Reagan to enable her to set up Stockades to protect the minerals / Gold / Wealththat have to pass the Ascention Island etc.

the Argentinians  did barter etc. etc. Further, then Why not protest more vigously against the Americans and their murdering 3000 Granadians because they wanted a stretegic point against Cummonism. Now that was 3 times more that the whole of the hibatians of the Falklanks put together! Loyal subject etc. that Fought with us, and which most of us had actually heard of!

 

Roland to be fair they landed a massive invasion taskforce on the falklands if thats not starting a war what is? They fired the first shots of the war against british royal marine commandos. Their elite so called special forces the buzo tactico attacked the royal marine detachment there!!!!

 

Even the UN condemned them for their actions.

 

I agree with you that the UK should have put more pressure on USA over grenada.

 

As for the yanks supporting our war with argies it was totally the opposite Reagan was furious about it because it damaged USA's relations with Latin Amercia.

 

We got some unoffical aid from Delta Force as they supplied UK special forces with stinger anti aircraft missles which were new at the time and some sat images. They got a right carpeting from the Pentagon for it when found out though.

 

 

[Guest Owen]

Roland

thanks for that. I owe you one.

[T_T]

I was involved in the Miners strike in the times of Heath and Thatcher and those that crossed the picket lines will always be remembered as "Scabs," they will go to their graves with the tag and just remember, they cost people their jobs who were fighting for better pay and working conditions for everyone and the "Scabs" will always leave a sour taste in the minds of many.   Anyway, I prefer to talk about pigeons.

[Bilco]

Without expressing my feelings on the Miner's strike  (and my father, and his brothers and his father were all Miners) I would just like to suggest that those who feel like Gangster (hating Maggie) should examine what happened to British Docklands, right round our coasts from north to south, who struck, struck and struck again and again, over even cups of tea, not hot enough, too hot to drink, etc, etc.    No dockers now are there? Its all containers.    Same with the Car manufacturers, strike, strike, strike, with "Red Robbo" being the glory boy.  No British car industry now is there ?  So then the Coal Miners took on Maggie.  Not many coal mines now are there ?  Nothing wrong with withholding your labour for better pay, but the men at the top, the leaders of the strikes, need to learn a lot.  

[Guest IB]

I remember well the 'nearly' live TV coverage on the Falklands.  To me the crux of the matter was displayed by 'Governor Reg Blimp' resplendant in feathered pith helmet, surrendering the island to the 'invading' Argentine Forces. All the hallmarks of British Colonialism (spelling) minus tea, crumpets and cricket, alive and well in 20th Century a  reminder of how & why we came to be there in the first place on an island in the South Atlantic 6000? miles from Britain, and why America restricted its help.

 

A lot of people lost their lives. Few will forget the General Belgrano, or Sir Galahad. Was the carnage on both sides worth it? I think not.

[gangster]

Without expressing my feelings on the Miner's strike  (and my father, and his brothers and his father were all Miners) I would just like to suggest that those who feel like Gangster (hating Maggie) should examine what happened to British Docklands, right round our coasts from north to south, who struck, struck and struck again and again, over even cups of tea, not hot enough, too hot to drink, etc, etc.    No dockers now are there? Its all containers.    Same with the Car manufacturers, strike, strike, strike, with "Red Robbo" being the glory boy.  No British car industry now is there ?  So then the Coal Miners took on Maggie.  Not many coal mines now are there ?  Nothing wrong with withholding your labour for better pay, but the men at the top, the leaders of the strikes, need to learn a lot.  

 

YES THEY DO BUT THATCHER AND HER CRONIES DESTROYED THE COUNTRYS INDUSTRIES 1 AFTER ANOTHER........AND DESTROYED FAMILIES NOT ONLY HERE SO I FEEL NOTHING BUT HATE FOR HER...END OF......

[Bilco]

Just remember IB that Australia was an island 12,000 miles away, and the USA was once an island, 3,000 miles away.  If our forbears hadn't colonised them they'd be speaking Spanish, French or Dutch now.  The Falklands were ceded under a treaty (bargaining) between rival colonists a few miles down the track, until somebody Political (The governing Military Junta) in Argentina realised they might be sitting on a lot of Oil, then they became important and "Ours that we want back".  The written record, history, teaches us a lot, if we take the trouble to read it.

[dazza]

What a load of sh** you talking Roland - the majority of which is unreadable. How the hell can you compare Thatcher with Mugabe.

 

Belgrano - bollocks, if they hadn't invaded their wouldn't have a been a torpedeo within 8000 miles of it. Why not discuss all the lies and bullshit about Iraq between the UK and US.

 

What the hell has the Americans in Grenada got to do with anything. What did you want her to do declare war on America?

 

And i forgot how marvellous this country was in 1979 with 3 day weeks and sh** in the streets because everybody was on strike. Was that down to Thatcher.

 

And after 12 years of a Labour government talk to me about greed and cronies all under a socialists!!! watch. Cash for honours/peerages you can't tell me that Blair or Brown are any better.

 

 

 

 

 

[dazza]

TT you are a disgrace to label people scabs it is a disgusting insult to people who had families to care for. They were not given a vote on whether or not they wanted to strike. And believe me cause i was in the midst of it many many more men would have gone back to work were it not for the intimidation and threats.

 

Calling someone a scab because he didn't agree with your philosophy and legally went to work is wrong and to keep doing it 25 years on is even worse.

 

 

 

[Roland]

Belgrano!!! When was 'retreating  a pluasible excuse for mass murder?  :-/ :-/ Dazza....

Run a slither of reality past us then.... The cobblers you spout above is just copybook Thatcherism at it worse. Indeed she even hold the unique title os having a ISM.

[tillo]

 

 

I think what happened happened no good dwelling on it i was still a young boy at the time.

But Maggie helped our family set up a respectable business, but labour idiots are killing the country full stop with all the stealth taxes, I tell you its no fun now owning your own business

 

[dazza]

More nonsense, i'm sorry i only understand 25% of what you write.

 

Once again the Belgrano would not have been sunk if they had not invaded - fact. Why not moan about Galtieri instead of Thatcher.

 

Nothing i have written could possibly suggest that i am or was a Thatcherite and you would be wrong to think that i am or was. It's just that i don't agree with your ridiculous notion of comparing her to Mugabe.

 

What i have written that is cobblers? Re read your own posts!!!!!

[dazza]

Sorry i forgot - what is this supposed to mean - 'Indeed she even hold the unique title os having a ISM'. Cobblers i write?????

[Guest chrisss]

 

I agree with single word of the above... and in the Geneva Convention, such acts as the sinking of the Belgrano was illegal... purely as A. Against the ethics and codes of War. B. Straight forward humanitarian reasons ... they were retreating outside of the Zone THATCHER had set up, and YES it was murder of very many inocent lives.

maybe should have a court for her too... Mind only difference between her and Mugarbee is.... :-/ :-/ Oh yes she didn't as such murder her own... She left them to pay for her tyrrany.

 

sinking the belgrano was not against the Geneva convention where did you get that idea from? again" the codes of war" [whats all that about?]inside the zone or outside its irreverent, it was cruiser manned by the enemy,i have no problems with the politics of all this that women will burn in hell for the damage she caused but on the "war front" you could not be more wrong sorry

[Guest kev d]

ive seen two grown men who have known each other all there lives

worked together down the pits , one went back to work one stayed on strike

they came to blows in the pigeon club they never talked to each other since .

very very sad , and i know now they both want to make friends but are to stubun

to make the first move .

[gangster]

i can honestly say i can see how hard it was for those boys......and what a hard decision they had 2 make  stand with your comrades or cross the line to look after your family ...thatcher did divide them and eventually conquered them....and by some of the posts the damage caused is still felt 25 years on......

[micko and jack]

 

 

 

She had the right idea with the Falklands and Loughhall and Gibitraulter.

and she got her payback for loughgal gibraltar

it was called brighton ,narrow water ,ballygawly ,canary wharf  ,london stock exchange should I go on  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

 

 

 

She had the right idea with the Falklands and Loughhall and Gibitraulter.

and she got her payback for loughgal gibraltar

it was called brighton ,narrow water ,ballygawly ,canary wharf  ,london stock exchange should I go on  

 

 

 

 

 

anything that i would want to add after that comment, will just stir things up,it might be best if we keep "the troubles" out of this eh?

 

 

[dazza]

wow! if that post is allowed to stay on here i quit. Well wide of the mark

[micko and jack]

wow! if that post is allowed to stay on here i quit. Well wide of the mark

 

if your talking about my post you bough the war in Ireland into it

if you check my earlier post

i said i found the miners strike very interesting and important

and didnt want to see the thread locked moved or whatever

[dazza]

Never mentioned Ireland?????????? And would never dream of it - it has no place on here.

[micko and jack]

Never mentioned Ireland?????????? And would never dream of it - it has no place on here.

 

where do you think loughgal is or did you simply not think

pigeon fanciers come on here and you know nothing about them you talk about loughgall and gabriltar a fancier on here could be related a comrade or support the actions or believes of the Volunteers killed in those attacks people like chriss an ex combattant  maybe have had friends family comrades killing in Ireland he may think they were doing the right think others my not (and im not for one minute trying to bring chriss into this) its simply a challange to your coments about

"She had the right idea with the Falklands and Loughhall and Gibitraulter"

make no mistake thatcher is a mass murderer and SUPPORTED mass murderers also pinochet of Chile an example murdered 1000's political activists and the poor ran from Chile and who did he run to the very person who came looking his help thatcher and when France was looking his extradition did thatcher hand the criminal over did she hack one looking after the other  

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

this threads too political and some of the content questionable so as not to further upset people this thread is been locked i would like to remind people that this is actualy a pigeon forum