Lanarkshire And Ayrshire Birds

[moscow master]

Please correct me if I am wrong but you are blaming the route which is something you will never prove.

What you and many others (quoting your words) need to do is have a look in the mirror. There has not been a decent fancier in Ayrshire since Jimmy Paterson passed on. Ayrshire fanciers are only too kean to quote geography as a reason for lack of performance and sit there in their comfort zone.

The lofts are populated by sprint pigeons and many fanciers who feel their ego has been massaged if they top the fed from 38 miles.

Topped the fed at 38 miles then put to stock. No wonder the young will not face a hard day.

well said novice a canny remember the last time a doo was in at 500 miles on the shift doon in here it wood be nice if someone could tell when it was and your right only a handful of men here distance minded gone are the days when ayrshire was a hot bed for national men clocking pigeons willy nilly from rennes and dont forget about the malcolm bros of croockedholm they were up there way the best

 

Hi rikki

who were you talking to in hawick I know it was'int me as you have already confirmed that via pm and its not timmy there's only one other guy its the above statement that does not make sence for somebody that flys in this area Ive had my fair share of strags in over twenty at least Ive had 5 solway in aswell.Ive only reported Two ayrshire birds on basics/banter the last one was last night and the guy is coming tomorrow for it from Beith the other 6 A birds were tossed over the OB season outside Peebles the other pigeon was a dalry bird and its not yours.As for this west verses east Ive raced down the west for years then the east back west now back east makes no differance here were you race its the same. the only differance racing east for me I have to train north Kelso up to Coldstream

a think rikkis telling porkie pies to dis the west route lol

[Novice]

well said novice a canny remember the last time a doo was in at 500 miles on the shift doon in here it wood be nice if someone could tell when it was and your right only a handful of men here distance minded gone are the days when ayrshire was a hot bed for national men clocking pigeons willy nilly from rennes and dont forget about the malcolm bros of croockedholm they were up there way the best

 

 

a think rikkis telling porkie pies to dis the west route lol

 

Malcolm Bros were canny doo men no doubt of that.

Day birds from real hard nationals in this area are few and far between on the shift but I can remamber two on the shift in 1989 one in Irvine and the other in Beith timing about 22:30.

Perhaps those days will return. I hope so.

[moscow master]

Malcolm Bros were canny doo men no doubt of that.

Day birds from real hard nationals in this area are few and far between on the shift but I can remamber two on the shift in 1989 one in Irvine and the other in Beith timing about 22:30.

Perhaps those days will return. I hope so.

thats a long time ago thats when a started the doos and joined the galston club what a club that was best av seen banter second to none and no malice they were the days 24 young yins was plenty and flew the full prog oot to appleton dropping just the odd yin and the only thing to change since then is the population of sky bandits anyway lets hope our channel record changes and were back way the snfc next year

[sharkfin]

well said novice a canny remember the last time a doo was in at 500 miles on the shift doon in here it wood be nice if someone could tell when it was and your right only a handful of men here distance minded gone are the days when ayrshire was a hot bed for national men clocking pigeons willy nilly from rennes and dont forget about the malcolm bros of croockedholm they were up there way the best

 

 

a think rikkis telling porkie pies to dis the west route lol

 

[pigeonchested]

Please correct me if I am wrong but you are blaming the route which is something you will never prove.

What you and many others (quoting your words) need to do is have a look in the mirror. There has not been a decent fancier in Ayrshire since Jimmy Paterson passed on. Ayrshire fanciers are only too kean to quote geography as a reason for lack of performance and sit there in their comfort zone.

The lofts are populated by sprint pigeons and many fanciers who feel their ego has been massaged if they top the fed from 38 miles.

Topped the fed at 38 miles then put to stock. No wonder the young will not face a hard day.

Novice, I assume that you have at some point stayed in Ayrshire and tried to race pigeons into the area. If you haven't then you are out of order. There are plenty of good fanciers in Ayrshire, and not many of them moan about location they just get on with it and I have never been to a loft in our area who has sprint based pigeons most fanciers in our area strive to time out of the national races on a regular basis; but its bloody hard. You hear of fanciers moving to different parts of scotland to give them a better chance of winning the national. I wonder how many of them have moved to Ayrshire! Or maybe for some reason all the bad fanciers stay in Ayrshire!

[Novice]

Novice, I assume that you have at some point stayed in Ayrshire and tried to race pigeons into the area. If you haven't then you are out of order. There are plenty of good fanciers in Ayrshire, and not many of them moan about location they just get on with it and I have never been to a loft in our area who has sprint based pigeons most fanciers in our area strive to time out of the national races on a regular basis; but its bloody hard. You hear of fanciers moving to different parts of scotland to give them a better chance of winning the national. I wonder how many of them have moved to Ayrshire! Or maybe for some reason all the bad fanciers stay in Ayrshire!

 

Yes Brian I live in Ayrshire and have the credentials to substantiate anything I say.

I am definately not out of order.

Had you competed in "Ayrshire Federation" and not Ballochmyle for more than 6 months you would understand exactly what I am talking about.

I appreciate that you always introduce longer distance winning lines direct from winning fanciers but that puts you in the minority.

A young bird race program which normally starts at 30 -40 miles and ends with a final race of 122 miles with a jump of 4 miles from race 7 to race 8.

Is that helping improve the quality in loft?

I doubt that. Some federations have their first race at the same distance as our final.

 

Our last Federation race was cancelled because of lack of interest----we are doing something very wrong.

[pigeonchested]

Yes Brian I live in Ayrshire and have the credentials to substantiate anything I say.

I am definately not out of order.

Had you competed in "Ayrshire Federation" and not Ballochmyle for more than 6 months you would understand exactly what I am talking about.

I appreciate that you always introduce longer distance winning lines direct from winning fanciers but that puts you in the minority.

A young bird race program which normally starts at 30 -40 miles and ends with a final race of 122 miles with a jump of 4 miles from race 7 to race 8.

Is that helping improve the quality in loft?

I doubt that. Some federations have their first race at the same distance as our final.

 

Our last Federation race was cancelled because of lack of interest----we are doing something very wrong.

Point taken, but I have discovered through talking to various Ayrshire fanciers and visiting lofts in the last few years that there are a lot of good fanciers who are trying to build up teams for the nationals but find it impossible for the reasons you have stated.

I agree with you that the race programme has to be changed drastically in order for Ayrshire fanciers to be able to prepare doos for the national or at least have the numbers left to compete. There are good and bad fanciers all over scotland,if the likes of Harvey Polock and Robert Reid were in more favourable area area they would be up with the leaders in a lot of national races. JMO.

[Novice]

Point taken, but I have discovered through talking to various Ayrshire fanciers and visiting lofts in the last few years that there are a lot of good fanciers who are trying to build up teams for the nationals but find it impossible for the reasons you have stated.

I agree with you that the race programme has to be changed drastically in order for Ayrshire fanciers to be able to prepare doos for the national or at least have the numbers left to compete. There are good and bad fanciers all over scotland,if the likes of Harvey Polock and Robert Reid were in more favourable area area they would be up with the leaders in a lot of national races. JMO.

 

Brian--- I have flown pigeons into Ayrshire since 1968.

As far as I am concerned one big mistake was not discussing race programs properly at the AGM.

That was because there was so much going on at that meeting with the influx of clubs. That was a mistake to bypass something as important as a race program. I am not blaming anyone but with hindsight it should have been discussed properly.

My opinion for what it is worth is that the race program needs to be more flexible especially for the first few old bird races.

For example decide a route at the AGM but if we think that we would achieve better returns racing from the opposite side of the country during the first 4 races then we do that.

From race 4 after the birds are race fit we stick to the agreed program.

On Monday night I believe we can only vote for either the status quo or the proposed amendment. For my money any program which proposes 2 Hawicks and 2 visits to Otterburn is a non starter.

Ok big Harvey is a good doo man but as far as that other guy is concerned I would have my doubts.

Oh by the way- does your dad still have the chequer hen rung on the left leg.

[bibendium]

Just to nail my colours to the mast I will be voting for the Status Quo.

and for the record in timing from the Nationals on the shift my old man was second to none in Ayrshire during the 80.s 90.s and up to a few years ago when he took ill.I hope in the future years to do the same.

[moscow master]

Just to nail my colours to the mast I will be voting for the Status Quo.

and for the record in timing from the Nationals on the shift my old man was second to none in Ayrshire during the 80.s 90.s and up to a few years ago when he took ill.I hope in the future years to do the same.

there is no question about that if you day half of what your old man did you will be daying weil and for the record status quo is ma vote a met andy graham from beith the day at newbiggin tossing ma doos for carentan he was doon at hawick getting one of the doos he lost last week and the guy that had his doo said we must be aff were heid wanting to race from hawick and otterburn they wood nae toss there doos fae there cause its infested way percys but according to some folk theres nane over there loft location spings to mind lol

[bibendium]

there is no question about that if you day half of what your old man did you will be daying weil and for the record status quo is ma vote a met andy graham from beith the day at newbiggin tossing ma doos for carentan he was doon at hawick getting one of the doos he lost last week and the guy that had his doo said we must be aff were heid wanting to race from hawick and otterburn they wood nae toss there doos fae there cause its infested way percys but according to some folk theres nane over there loft location spings to mind lol

Am not so sure about loft location as the man proposeing the new route should benefit more from the existing route, I think we should be staying west for a few seasons at least, then if its not working think again. hope carentaen goes well for all that send to it, Its a step to far for me this year but hopefully if things go to plan next year .Its not only the BOP problem on the east but clashing with doos going in all directions.

[newstart]

there is no question about that if you day half of what your old man did you will be daying weil and for the record status quo is ma vote a met andy graham from beith the day at newbiggin tossing ma doos for carentan he was doon at hawick getting one of the doos he lost last week and the guy that had his doo said we must be aff were heid wanting to race from hawick and otterburn they wood nae toss there doos fae there cause its infested way percys but according to some folk theres nane over there loft location spings to mind lol

hello to moscow master? see you tomorrow night at the meeting ps where did you learn to spell

[bibendium]

welcome to PB newstart

[Novice]

hello to moscow master? see you tomorrow night at the meeting ps where did you learn to spell

 

come on now trot along there.

[newstart]

thank s

 

come on now trot along there.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Great to read such a civilized discussion.

What ever the happens, i wish you all the best for your young bird season what ever way the members of your fed decide to go.

[pigeonchested]

Brian--- I have flown pigeons into Ayrshire since 1968.

As far as I am concerned one big mistake was not discussing race programs properly at the AGM.

That was because there was so much going on at that meeting with the influx of clubs. That was a mistake to bypass something as important as a race program. I am not blaming anyone but with hindsight it should have been discussed properly.

My opinion for what it is worth is that the race program needs to be more flexible especially for the first few old bird races.

For example decide a route at the AGM but if we think that we would achieve better returns racing from the opposite side of the country during the first 4 races then we do that.

From race 4 after the birds are race fit we stick to the agreed program.

On Monday night I believe we can only vote for either the status quo or the proposed amendment. For my money any program which proposes 2 Hawicks and 2 visits to Otterburn is a non starter.

Ok big Harvey is a good doo man but as far as that other guy is concerned I would have my doubts.

Oh by the way- does your dad still have the chequer hen rung on the left leg.

I'll ask the auld yin about the hen. I think that most members will vote for the status quo. Personally I would prefer the other route apart from the Otterburn's. Best of luck for the rest of the season anyway, whatever the route.

[Novice]

I'll ask the auld yin about the hen. I think that most members will vote for the status quo. Personally I would prefer the other route apart from the Otterburn's. Best of luck for the rest of the season anyway, whatever the route.

 

Brian,

 

I'll go with whatever the members vote for but may be inclined to choose my races.

I feel that duplication races are not good for birdages and ultimately the fed balance.

Shorter season capacity loaded transporter and reduced food supply to percy is what I strive for.

 

Great to read such a civilized discussion.

What ever the happens, i wish you all the best for your young bird season what ever way the members of your fed decide to go.

 

Gareth do I detect a touch of cynicism in tour comment?

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Brian,

 

I'll go with whatever the members vote for but may be inclined to choose my races.

I feel that duplication races are not good for birdages and ultimately the fed balance.

Shorter season capacity loaded transporter and reduced food supply to percy is what I strive for.

 

 

 

Gareth do I detect a touch of cynicism in tour comment?

 

Definitely not, have enjoyed hearing a discussion from fanciers with open minds, nothing more nothing less.

[Novice]

Definitely not, have enjoyed hearing a discussion from fanciers with open minds, nothing more nothing less.

 

Quality

[bibendium]

Ayrshire Fed have decided tonight to revert back to an Easterly route for the YB season. A very poor decision in my opinion.

[Novice]

Ayrshire Fed have decided tonight to revert back to an Easterly route for the YB season. A very poor decision in my opinion.

 

Being honest Charlie it was always going to happen with the coast lads there in mumbers to regain their double overfly.

Strangely I never noticed Rikki there.

Maybe he is Ayrshire's answer to Bigda.

[bibendium]

Being honest Charlie it was always going to happen with the coast lads there in mumbers to regain their double overfly.

Strangely I never noticed Rikki there. :rolleyes:

Maybe he is Ayrshire's answer to Bigda.

 

there were guys there that only fly with Ayrshire North road and will only ever fly there voting, however they are fed members so have a say, Like you Im not surprised though ,it would have been interesting to find out if the clubs that lettered the fed had a club meeting beforehand or whether it was a fit up. Our club was never approached for our opinion.( we were not one of the clubs though)

[Novice]

there were guys there that only fly with Ayrshire North road and will only ever fly there voting, however they are fed members so have a say, Like you Im not surprised though ,it would have been interesting to find out if the clubs that lettered the fed had a club meeting beforehand or whether it was a fit up. Our club was never approached for our opinion.( we were not one of the clubs though)

 

I have no doubt that it was underhanded.

[moscow master]

Ayrshire Fed have decided tonight to revert back to an Easterly route for the YB season. A very poor decision in my opinion.

a feel sorry for the guys down in ayr dalmellington patna and the nith valley boys its a case of as long as the coast boys are sorted thats us back to the young yins battering from coast to coast al need to move ma summer seat in the direction of arran noo cause thats the way they will come like the young bird final last year ma doo came oot the beith direction and a got beat by a yard by the master fae beith wee git lol