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[ALF]

, some seats have bean taken so getting there, not from the forum, all the best.

 

SO WHAT YOUR SAYING ARCHIE IS IT WISNAE OUR FAULT ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

 

ALL THE BEST ALAN ;) ;)

[Guest]

Whilst i have no wish to offend the webmaster, mods, or anyone else using the forum, i feel that there are more serious issues that are being overlooked. Please don't take this the wrong way, as i love the banter with the people on here, i feel it helps make the place tick and thrive. In my opinion it gives a happy vibrant feel to the forum! But, i know, one mans drink is another mans poison! I was a mod on another website, so i do have an understanding of what the role is about. I agree mods have to "tidy-up" threads quite a lot, but what about protecting the site from libel and investigation by external legal bodies? Alarmist? Sorry if i sound it as there is no fear of any actions coming from me, but after reading some of the posts/threads by some of the more highly strung users on this site, it would be something i was wary of!

Take for instance, we have had banter threads removed from the CHIT CHAT forum, without so much as a removed message link being put on, never mind an explanation. There was nothing offensive on these threads, plenty mickey taking mind you, but they were deleted! No complaints, whoever actioned it must have had their reasons. Action was taken, but was it warranted?

Then, we have recently, myself "accidentally" named on a dubious thread where someone with a similar "id handle" to me, was asking for free birds! I politely requested that confirmation of it not being me was posted to clear my name of any "questionable" practices. No confirmation has came as yet, but the thread has since been locked! No further action seems to have been taken, but did it warrant it more than the removal of the mickey taking threads?

On the General Pigeon Board right now, there is a couple of threads about culling pigeons. On one post, someone actually states that the birds should be starved for 48 hours! Talk about giving the pigeon game bad publicity, we are at times our own worst enemies! Surely these are threads that require moderation / moderating?? In fact, in my opinion, THEY SHOULD BE DELETED! RSPCA, the public just browsing. Do we really need to be putting this under public or legal scrutiny? Will you, can you, take any action with this?

Like i said guys, please don't take offence, i'm just pointing out that maybe there are more serious issues to be looked at than threads where numerous posts are put on saying "off topic!" I agree totally that you need to tidy threads up at times, to try and keep things straight, but surely you can see my point?

[Guest]

Whilst i have no wish to offend the webmaster, mods, or anyone else using the forum, i feel that there are more serious issues that are being overlooked. Please don't take this the wrong way, as i love the banter with the people on here, i feel it helps make the place tick and thrive. In my opinion it gives a happy vibrant feel to the forum! But, i know, one mans drink is another mans poison! I was a mod on another website, so i do have an understanding of what the role is about. I agree mods have to "tidy-up" threads quite a lot, but what about protecting the site from libel and investigation by external legal bodies? Alarmist? Sorry if i sound it as there is no fear of any actions coming from me, but after reading some of the posts/threads by some of the more highly strung users on this site, it would be something i was wary of!

Take for instance, we have had banter threads removed from the CHIT CHAT forum, without so much as a removed message link being put on, never mind an explanation. There was nothing offensive on these threads, plenty mickey taking mind you, but they were deleted! No complaints, whoever actioned it must have had their reasons. Action was taken, but was it warranted?

Then, we have recently, myself "accidentally" named on a dubious thread where someone with a similar "id handle" to me, was asking for free birds! I politely requested that confirmation of it not being me was posted to clear my name of any "questionable" practices. No confirmation has came as yet, but the thread has since been locked! No further action seems to have been taken, but did it warrant it more than the removal of the mickey taking threads?

On the General Pigeon Board right now, there is a couple of threads about culling pigeons. On one post, someone actually states that the birds should be starved for 48 hours! Talk about giving the pigeon game bad publicity, we are at times our own worst enemies! Surely these are threads that require moderation / moderating?? In fact, in my opinion, THEY SHOULD BE DELETED! RSPCA, the public just browsing. Do we really need to be putting this under public or legal scrutiny? Will you, can you, take any action with this?

Like i said guys, please don't take offence, i'm just pointing out that maybe there are more serious issues to be looked at than threads where numerous posts are put on saying "off topic!" I agree totally that you need to tidy threads up at times, to try and keep things straight, but surely you can see my point?

I agree with the part about culling,i find it very upsetting and offensive and I am sure I am not alone.

 

[chickadee]

I agree with the part about culling,i find it very upsetting and offensive and I am sure I am not alone.

 

I must admit I find it quite nauseating myself..... :X

[THE FIFER]

i have moved it to the deleted folder

[Guest]

i have moved it to the deleted folder

 

Thanks Archie,

 

the "going soft" thread is still there?: Can you please remove this one also?

 

Respectfully yours,

 

Dave Barkel

[DOVEScot]

 

Thanks Archie,

 

the "going soft" thread is still there?: Can you please remove this one also?

 

Respectfully yours,

 

Dave Barkel

 

You won't be able to speak on the site incase it offends someone or can be used against us shortly :-/ If you are ashamed of what happens in your sport then do something about it, don't just delete it and hide it :-/

[Guest]

There were actually 2 threads on culling on the main board. Agree very much with the removal of 1. The other one is still there and I feel it is quite 'educational' [not the right word] because it is quite clear from it that a very young member has been told by 'someone' that killing is part and parcel of 'winning'. I think it is also very clear that the young member has tried this and finds it a totally disgusting practice. I'd like to think most of us feel that way.

 

Sooner these kind of practices are outed for what they are, and accepted by the majority as such, the better it will be for the sport and its image.

 

And I take Davey's point  about his feelings on a pigeon being starved for 48 hours. Imagine how I felt when I came across a thread advising a US member to starve his stock pigeons in the dead of winter for a week to reduce weight before pairing up!!!!   Queried that, was simply told by the member 'they' do it, they know others who do it, and see nothing wrong with it. Wonder how RSPCA would see it - er, don't need to wonder, know fine well.  >

 

 

[Guest]

Picking up another theme in Davey B's post: agree very much with you, there is a  witch-hunt rabble-rousing lynch-mob mentality amongst some on this forum, extremely good at jumping on bandwagons and doing everything in their power to keep that bandwagon rolling.

 

Can recall the thread, and I personally left it because I felt you had cleared your name in it -  again the wrong phrase, but illustrates well what I mean, guilty till proved innocent.  >

[DOVEScot]

There were actually 2 threads on culling on the main board. Agree very much with the removal of 1. The other one is still there and I feel it is quite 'educational' [not the right word] because it is quite clear from it that a very young member has been told by 'someone' that killing is part and parcel of 'winning'. I think it is also very clear that the young member has tried this and finds it a totally disgusting practice. I'd like to think most of us feel that way.

 

Sooner these kind of practices are outed for what they are, and accepted by the majority as such, the better it will be for the sport and its image.

 

And I take Davey's point  about his feelings on a pigeon being starved for 48 hours. Imagine how I felt when I came across a thread advising a US member to starve his stock pigeons in the dead of winter for a week to reduce weight before pairing up!!!!   Queried that, was simply told by the member 'they' do it, they know others who do it, and see nothing wrong with it. Wonder how RSPCA would see it - er, don't need to wonder, know fine well.  >

 

 

I agree with the post being kept and the vast majority objecting to culling birds and only doing so in a humane way for the right reasons

Letting the spies know that we are objecting to this

And if you notice who suggested starving the birds for 48 hours, of you delete the post this goes unoticed by others :-/

[DOVEScot]

Picking up another theme in Davey B's post: agree very much with you, there is a  witch-hunt rabble-rousing lynch-mob mentality amongst some on this forum, extremely good at jumping on bandwagons and doing everything in their power to keep that bandwagon rolling.

 

Can recall the thread, and I personally left it because I felt you had cleared your name in it -  again the wrong phrase, but illustrates well what I mean, guilty till proved innocent.  >

 

Rubbish, I thought the thread was a wind up from the beginning and I PM'd DaveyB to see if it was him, because like me he has done his fair share :-/ :-/ :-/

[Guest]

 

You won't be able to speak on the site incase it offends someone or can be used against us shortly :-/ If you are ashamed of what happens in your sport then do something about it, don't just delete it and hide it :-/

 

Hi Duncan,

 

i think you may be missing my poiint. I am not ashamed, we cannot change it, but i don't think putting it under peoples noses is the way forward. I do not wish to stop anyone from speaking on the site, i welcome the openess, and love the banter, and serious side too! I have had dealings with members of the public before, where someone has falsely given MY NAME, when talking about culling with them, and it was pretty unsavoury i can tell you. It is only this issue that i disagree with anyone wanting to air it openly to the public. We cannot gain any accolades for it. Why give anyone like the RSPCA, the bullets to shoot us with? Look what happened to the fox hunters! They can't hunt anymore, i fear the same for the pigeon game! That is my worry! Can you see what i mean Dunc?

[DOVEScot]

 

Hi Duncan,

 

i think you may be missing my poiint. I am not ashamed, we cannot change it, but i don't think putting it under peoples noses is the way forward. I do not wish to stop anyone from speaking on the site, i welcome the openess, and love the banter, and serious side too! I have had dealings with members of the public before, where someone has falsely given MY NAME, when talking about culling with them, and it was pretty unsavoury i can tell you. It is only this issue that i disagree with anyone wanting to air it openly to the public. We cannot gain any accolades for it. Why give anyone like the RSPCA, the bullets to shoot us with? Look what happened to the fox hunters! They can't hunt anymore, i fear the same for the pigeon game! That is my worry! Can you see what i mean Dunc?

 

Why, hide the truth, why not fight to make these people aware of their actions on our sport

The fact is we are all in the game for different reasons, from love and enjoyment to ruthless business descissions. The same in any walk of life

RSPB were at Rothymurcus estate in Aviemore on a deer shoot for a team building exersize killing poor weee Bambi's. We are all capable of criticism :-/

 

[Guest]

 

Rubbish, I thought the thread was a wind up from the beginning and I PM'd DaveyB to see if it was him, because like me he has done his fair share :-/ :-/ :-/

 

Aye thats right Duncan you did! I don't mind wind ups, i love them! I beleive you did say on that very thread that it was a wind up. My issue on that thread was that i was named, (not by you), i knew you were pulling my leg in the pm. I just wanted people that didn't know me to understand that this Dave B, was not me, and i did not request anything for nothing. The statement made was is Davey B from Stoke? After what you had gone through, i wanted, in my opinion quite rightly, to clear myself from that, and stated exactly that. A wind up is a wind up, but when you are linked to being a criminal hoodwinker, then it isn't humourous anymore! In none of my joking around have i made out anyone is a character like what you had the unfortunate luck to have had to deal with in that recent episode!

[DOVEScot]

 

Aye thats right Duncan you did! I don't mind wind ups, i love them! I beleive you did say on that very thread that it was a wind up. My issue on that thread was that i was named, (not by you), i knew you were pulling my leg in the pm. I just wanted people that didn't know me to understand that this Dave B, was not me, and i did not request anything for nothing. The statement made was is Davey B from Stoke? After what you had gone through, i wanted, in my opinion quite rightly, to clear myself from that, and stated exactly that. A wind up is a wind up, but when you are linked to being a criminal hoodwinker, then it isn't humourous anymore! In none of my joking around have i made out anyone is a character like what you had the unfortunate luck to have had to deal with in that recent episode!

 

Comeon Davey nobody thought for a minute you were like the Crooxy, that was posted in jest and we are all guilty of it and to the bone sometimes. I have had the sympathy vote then the get aff yer pedestal then the jibes about it, even from Chickadee, I would have a hard neck to try and silence the hecklers.

I think the wind up merchant that done it was trying to tar you or get you biting and he did, wasnae me but wish it was ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

 

Why, hide the truth, why not fight to make these people aware of their actions on our sport

The fact is we are all in the game for different reasons, from love and enjoyment to ruthless business descissions. The same in any walk of life

RSPB were at Rothymurcus estate in Aviemore on a deer shoot for a team building exersize killing poor weee Bambi's. We are all capable of criticism :-/

 

Aye, your points are valid and fair! I still think it is wrong to shove it under their noses when we can easily avoid doing so. I am open to criticism just like any other! Maybe i am over reacting, but i think we are inviting problems by openly displaying discussions like that! As i said, this is the only issue that since i became a member that i have wished to see stopped. We are openly acknowledging cruelty on some, not all, of the posts. The RSPB anecdote made me smile, i wasn't aware they would have been allowed to do that type of thing. Makes it all a bit hypocritical from them i think! LOL!  

[Guest]

 

Comeon Davey nobody thought for a minute you were like the Crooxy, that was posted in jest and we are all guilty of it and to the bone sometimes. I have had the sympathy vote then the get aff yer pedestal then the jibes about it, even from Chickadee, I would have a hard neck to try and silence the hecklers.

I think the wind up merchant that done it was trying to tar you or get you biting and he did, wasnae me but wish it was ;D ;D ;D

 

PMSL, Aye mate, well i think i know who it is! Maybe i should throw my toys out of the pram!  ;D

[DOVEScot]

 

Aye, your points are valid and fair! I still think it is wrong to shove it under their noses when we can easily avoid doing so. I am open to criticism just like any other! Maybe i am over reacting, but i think we are inviting problems by openly displaying discussions like that! As i said, this is the only issue that since i became a member that i have wished to see stopped. We are openly acknowledging cruelty on some, not all, of the posts. The RSPB anecdote made me smile, i wasn't aware they would have been allowed to do that type of thing. Makes it all a bit hypocritical from them i think! LOL!  

 

The butcher at the estate was one of my ex judo kids and I got the info from him, I was at Boat of Garten RSPB site where they have the ospreys and the guy was spouting off about wildlife preservation, and me being me dropped the clanger on the bell, never seen a guy so fluent in English going so quiet in zero seconds :D :D

[DOVEScot]

 

PMSL, Aye mate, well i think i know who it is! Maybe i should throw my toys out of the pram!  ;D

 

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[THE FIFER]

yes but to cull deer or even crows u need a permit

[DOVEScot]

yes but to cull deer or even crows u need a permit

 

Not at that level, they have aseasonal quota and hire out the guns for huge profits :(

[THE FIFER]

could agree with u on the derr one, as i dont know much about it, but i do know u just cant cull birds even carrion crows which are listed as vermin, how things stand with our pigeons and how we dispose of them is questionable, what is right and what would be wrong in the eyes of the RSPCA and the RSPB and the bird lovers and do gooders, its a tricky one, and thats why i think we should not make it public how we do it, my views maybe not right, but thats why we put posts etc into a folder for the webmaster to see, and if he decides its ok then he will put them back on, and that's fine by me, its only a safety measure until the webmaster comes on site,

[DOVEScot]

could agree with u on the derr one, as i dont know much about it, but i do know u just cant cull birds even carrion crows which are listed as vermin, how things stand with our pigeons and how we dispose of them is questionable, what is right and what would be wrong in the eyes of the RSPCA and the RSPB and the bird lovers and do gooders, its a tricky one, and thats why i think we should not make it public how we do it, my views maybe not right, but thats why we put posts etc into a folder for the webmaster to see, and if he decides its ok then he will put them back on, and that's fine by me, its only a safety measure until the webmaster comes on site,

 

I agree that certain things are left unsaid, but anything we find out that even shocks us, should be discussed SOMEWHERE on the site

 

Maybe we should have a discussion board that is open only to invited members or level of member ie veteran, oldbird for example, nothing underhand,

JUST IF ME YOU AND OTHER MEMBERS WANT TO DISCUSS A TOPIC THEN IT CAN BE LOCKED OR CLOSED TO OTHERS, LIKE A PRIVATE CONVERSATION OR AND EXPANDED PRIVATE MESSAGE SHARED BETWEEN MEMBERS

 

AT LEAST SOMETHING OTHER THAN BEING FRIGHTENED TO DISCUSS MATTERS BECAUSE OF THE POLITICALLY CORRECT BRIDADE ARE FRIGHTENED IT MIGHT UPSET SOMEONE

 

HISTORY IS FULL OF IT TO SOME EXTREME CASES :-/

 

ONLY A SUGGESTION :-/ :-/ :-/

[THE FIFER]

agreeDOVEScot, I think this is what the members only forum really was meant for, but then youngsters are members also anyone can register and become a member so dont really see the point of that one, if it is possible to get one as u explain could be a possibility, but not sure u can, i agree sometimes in this world of 2 day parts of free speach as regarding culling etc is not so free, as it could cause problems, but i am sure the webmaster will be able to sort things out and if he says its ok for those disscusstions then good, and he will put the threads back on site, I have just put them into a ITEMS TO BE LOOKED INTO folder, they are not deleted as we are only taking precautions, and the webmaster will look into them,

[DOVEScot]

agreeDOVEScot, I think this is what the members only forum really was meant for, but then youngsters are members also anyone can register and become a member so dont really see the point of that one, if it is possible to get one as u explain could be a possibility, but not sure u can, i agree sometimes in this world of 2 day parts of free speach as regarding culling etc is not so free, as it could cause problems, but i am sure the webmaster will be able to sort things out and if he says its ok for those disscusstions then good, and he will put the threads back on site, I have just put them into a ITEMS TO BE LOOKED INTO folder, they are not deleted as we are only taking precautions, and the webmaster will look into them,

 

Culling is just one part and may be the start of the PC brigade controlling what we say, just incase we incriminate ourselves by them using what we say to make every pigeon keeper a culling machine :-/