moderation how much and when

[ChrisMaidment08]

following the farce on bens bird for sale i feel that moderation has gone over top and is being used as selected means of getting to some members we see members aduseing others pm ing threats and not brought to book yet good honest fun stopped which i feel is keeping most members amused were does it stop well  abuseing mods online  causeing problems on sales threads is wrong as commishon given to site is lost if not sold abuseive words should be delt with and posters.  some mods as well as members abuse their position this should stop?one other thing unless poster of thread objects to others posting it should be left unless abuse or threats are given then locked thanks thats my view for what its worth

[maverick]

I have a question to ask HAS ANY MEMBER ON HERE HAD A THREAT FROM A MODERATOR IN ANY WAY

[ChrisMaidment08]

yes

[Guest d2d2]

i put up a post about pigeon tracker and  jimmy white why did it get removed all i did was ask a question

[DOVEScot]

I am sorry the way Ben's auction went for the sake of Ben, but it has highlighted some other problems that need addressed on the site

 

I have asked the Webmaster if he would allow a post on website news and views with the following conditions

 

No moderation

No foul language

No racist or bigoted comments

The members will self police the posts and not allow any of the above by condemning them

No posts unless they can be founded as the truth

 

The webmaster is frightened that it will just turn into a slagging match which hopefully would not be the case :-/

[ChrisMaidment08]

well if richard will agree then its good step forward there are number of things that need adressing on which we are not allowed to discus we should point out not webby fault as he is not on all the time its not fair to keep on at him but we should have a say unhindered  by some

[maverick]

I have a question to ask HAS ANY MEMBER ON HERE HAD A THREAT FROM A MODERATOR IN ANY WAY

 

i have asked the webmaster to let this run and no posts to be taken of just to see the outcome and help make this a better site

[LISTER]

can see the prob Richard is this a personal thing ??

[Michael J Burden]

Not sure what has happened except the white bird of Bens spoken about. Can someone enlighten me so I can make my contributions, if I have some?

[Guest]

following the farce on bens bird for sale i feel that moderation has gone over top and is being used as selected means of getting to some members we see members aduseing others pm ing threats and not brought to book yet good honest fun stopped which i feel is keeping most members amused were does it stop well  abuseing mods online  causeing problems on sales threads is wrong as commishon given to site is lost if not sold abuseive words should be delt with and posters.  some mods as well as members abuse their position this should stop?one other thing unless poster of thread objects to others posting it should be left unless abuse or threats are given then locked thanks thats my view for what its worth

 

My view as a relative newbie on here is, that I am able to see, without fear of contadiction, the few individuals, who are consistantly disrupting threads. I am not in a position of authority, and have no powers to lock threads etc, but my point is IF I and the vast majority know who the trouble makers are WHY can't or DOESN'T Richard and/or other moderators see who they are? Instead they appear to turn a blind eye to the antics of these individuals and do not appear to act accordingly to rid this site of these people. It always appear to me that the innocent amongst us who use this site in a proper manner, suffer at the expense of these troublemakers, who consistantly set out to spoil it for the rest. Hopefully it's not a case of OLD PALS ACT and moderators and Webmaster treat EVERY situation with an unbiased mind.

[Michael J Burden]

I take my hat off to the mods, I understand that they do it for free?

I am sure that rather than having plenty of time reading what takes their fancy and making their contributions they are reading PM's about problems etc.

They have to make a call, sometimes they have neither the time or incling to read every threads individual measages. They can get it wrong too, but we are all human.

 

I am not sure how you can work out who is a trouble maker, some are newbies and just learning the ropes, some are just lacking in rite-in skills and just put it down in a way which can look offensive but was not intended that way.

 

Some are trouble makers out and out, these are usually the same ones who disrupt clubs and particularly their meetings. The way to sort these is not to bite at their sometimes silly writings but to just ignore them. If they want to play they have to learn manners.

[Guest strapper]

i think it would be an idea that the red card system could be used on this site...where as you could give a yellow card? to someone abusing the rules(after being spoken to to stop) and then if in that month he/she does it again red carded ...account suspended for a month?

then if consistant,.... offenders have a final warning before being removed from the site.

just my thoughts

 

possibly have a yellow card on their info where the avaitor is.

[Guest]

I take my hat off to the mods, I understand that they do it for free?

I am sure that rather than having plenty of time reading what takes their fancy and making their contributions they are reading PM's about problems etc.

They have to make a call, sometimes they have neither the time or incling to read every threads individual measages. They can get it wrong too, but we are all human.

 

I am not sure how you can work out who is a trouble maker, some are newbies and just learning the ropes, some are just lacking in rite-in skills and just put it down in a way which can look offensive but was not intended that way.

 

Some are trouble makers out and out, these are usually the same ones who disrupt clubs and particularly their meetings. The way to sort these is not to bite at their sometimes silly writings but to just ignore them. If they want to play they have to learn manners.

 

Michael I agree in principle, but this does not happen. The nature of us all as human beings is to stand up for your corner and retaliate. If we all adopte the attitude of ignore it and become downtrodden, and those with authority don't act accordingly, then these peoples antics will never come to light and will continue to disrupt. The people who you refer to as "the trouble makers" generally are to old in the tooth to learn manners ....... You can't teach an old dog new tricks. and the only way of teaching these culprits is to remove their privilages. Your signature is "life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand" (Ex. 21:23, 24) I agree with that in principle, but please dont be hypercritical. All the best mate, this is not a personal thing against you, no hard feelings

 

[Guest]

I don't want to comment on individual concerns or worries about how people have been treated. What I would say is that evryone seems to think this site is a democracy and they have a right to tell the webmaster and moderators how it should be run. Quite simply when you join the site you accept the rules of the site. We all at times think we are being unfairly picked on, its human nature. But the bottom line is that the site is a luxury for us all to express our opinions and because some one has a different view or a different way of expressing that opinion and you don't like it, doesn't mean they should be banned.

The mods and webmaster have the power to decide what's right or wrong, and we as users have the right to use the site under their rules. If you don't like it you move on, there are plenty of other sites where you can express similar views, perhaps they will treat you differently.

And I moved on last year because there were certain things I was unhappy about. I came back though because I realised what I was missing.

[Guest]

I don't want to comment on individual concerns or worries about how people have been treated. What I would say is that evryone seems to think this site is a democracy and they have a right to tell the webmaster and moderators how it should be run. Quite simply when you join the site you accept the rules of the site. We all at times think we are being unfairly picked on, its human nature. But the bottom line is that the site is a luxury for us all to express our opinions and because some one has a different view or a different way of expressing that opinion and you don't like it, doesn't mean they should be banned.

The mods and webmaster have the power to decide what's right or wrong, and we as users have the right to use the site under their rules. If you don't like it you move on, there are plenty of other sites where you can express similar views, perhaps they will treat you differently.

And I moved on last year because there were certain things I was unhappy about. I came back though because I realised what I was missing.

 

 

I will make no further comment on the subject, I have had my say, and you have had yours......... end of story. I do not wish to argue or fall out with anyone.

 

[Guest]

i think it would be an idea that the red card system could be used on this site...where as you could give a yellow card? to someone abusing the rules(after being spoken to to stop) and then if in that month he/she does it again red carded ...account suspended for a month?

then if consistant,.... offenders have a final warning before being removed from the site.

just my thoughts

 

possibly have a yellow card on their info where the avaitor is.

 

we had this same topic last year ( i cant remember what month it was in)

 

 

[Michael J Burden]

lenwadebob one of the problems when you do not ignore the trouble maker is this. Answers can be given back in the same vane as the poster. This is just as negative and can escalate which helps no one.

 

I agree with you that trouble makers can be sanctioned by mods etc but how is it decided what is a trouble (evil) maker. As I have already said some just need to learn how to express themselves better. Some are trouble (evil) makers and these do need to be routed just like one was recently and banned from another site. (puke)

 

I agree with an eye for an eye but let the mods carry out the measures needed to rectify the issue. On each posting their is an icon which allows the viewer to report the posting.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

yes

 

would you care to elaborate as to which moderator has threatened you because I find that  hard to believe.

[OLDYELLOW]

i think it would be an idea that the red card system could be used on this site...where as you could give a yellow card? to someone abusing the rules(after being spoken to to stop) and then if in that month he/she does it again red carded ...account suspended for a month?

then if consistant,.... offenders have a final warning before being removed from the site.

just my thoughts

 

possibly have a yellow card on their info where the avaitor is.

 

there is a system very similar to the one you state in operation , as most of you will know one member has been removed from site and technicaly banned and others have been banned in the past , warnings have been issued and do appear with a user warning which stays on for a month continued distruption of the site or abusive pms to moderators will not be tollerated Richard does his best to be fair in all cases as do the moderators .When you join the site you agree to the rules , i hope everyone enjoys the site after all were all making and meeting new friends and its a great way to learn for novices and old hands alike and change views ideas and theorys . Post are removed to be checked by Richard , he has the final say so if a moderator has conficting bias opinions then both sides are view unbiasly and dealt with in a simpathetic way if you recieve abusive or threatening pms we are happy to deal with them , but members are urged not to send them in the first instance if you feel angry perhaps a short break to compose yourself and weigh things up as in most cases things are typed in without the thought about wording and may and could come across in a way untended , i hope we all continue to enjoy this site , rember the members of the site make it what it is enjoy

[superstar]

Well this is all very interesting. I have a few issues at the moment which are on going and hopefully will be delt with shortly. As for all the fun bits being taken out I think thats poor, lets face it when the more fun people are away from the site it moves very slow and can be quite boring. You cant talk about pigeons seriously all the time and the odd wise crack very often lightens the mood and if your the type of person that doesnt agree then turn the other cheek if the majority arn't offended and just read the replies that suit you. I cant remember too many occasions when something really bad has been posted but on the odd occasion that has happened it has been condemned by all and delt with. Its the easiest job in the world to be a moderator so long as you are prepared to communicate with the person on the receiving end of your actions and always act in an unbiased maner. Some people though have been getting away with actions contrary to the rules for a while and that is a cause for concern as if I was to act in the same maner know full well I would no longer be a member of this site. In general its a good place with just one or two issues to be ironed out but as posts above say there are other very good, welcoming sites we are all free to use and lets face it a great percentage of us, myself included do that anyway.  Enjoy the place and if not then vote with your feet if your hard done by and that goes for anywhere not just here

[ChrisMaidment08]

 

would you care to elaborate as to which moderator has threatened you because I find that  hard to believe.

this matter has been put with prpoper channel and will not be  put to open forum this is not about indeviduals but things as a whole

 

 

[Guest]

lenwadebob one of the problems when you do not ignore the trouble maker is this. Answers can be given back in the same vane as the poster. This is just as negative and can escalate which helps no one.

 

I agree with you that trouble makers can be sanctioned by mods etc but how is it decided what is a trouble (evil) maker. As I have already said some just need to learn how to express themselves better. Some are trouble (evil) makers and these do need to be routed just like one was recently and banned from another site. (puke)

 

I agree with an eye for an eye but let the mods carry out the measures needed to rectify the issue. On each posting their is an icon which allows the viewer to report the posting.

 

I agree Michael. One observation I have made since I have been on here is that 99% of all the incidences we have are confined to two categories "Courier Related" and "Descriptions of Birds for Sale and Auctions" ..... Maybe these two categories need to be better supervised and monitored and this will eleviate the vast majority of the arguments ........ Just my opinion   ;)

 

 

[T_T]

What do we class as a trouble maker ? Is it a person who continually strives to find an argument or a person who has an opposite opinion. ? or someone who is just awkward.  I myself feel very lucky to have found so many friends on here who wouldn't know what "trouble maker" means, helpful people, pleasure to know them.  There's a few Moderators amongst them too.

[Guest]

As for all the fun bits being taken out I think thats poor, lets face it when the more fun people are away from the site it moves very slow and can be quite boring. You cant talk about pigeons seriously all the time and the odd wise crack very often lightens the mood.

 

The main reason for my original posting on this thread, when I said I hoped that Webby and Moderators were not being biased.

 

I suppose I am as quilty as the rest for not putting into words what I had in my head........ my apologies

[grizzle_hen]

It's interesting to read what members think about moderating etc and it is always a hard thing to do (moderating that is) and its good for a thread like this where members can express their views on moderating.

 

Moderating is something hard to do, for example a reply is made to a post and its not abusive but could be read as so etc, you read the reply and are not sure, so leave it there, then you get a reported thread or pm's with complaints about the reply. So you then re-read it and remove it. Good, you've dealt with something. But then another handful of members then complain because it has been removed. So it seems that you can never please everyone.

 

Another point with moderation is that every topic and every reply may not always be read or missed, so some things may slip off the radar for whatever reason, so this is why we need members to use the report to moderator button, especially if there is something that is threatening to another member, abusive or anything else (or you can always pm a moderator who is online at that time).

 

In terms of chit-chat, a bit of banter is good yes, I can understand that in terms of the seriousness of some topics, but one thing that I think would help is if you want your banter use the chit-chat board, you can banter with each other as much as you want, maybe set up a banter thread for every day (I think Richard may have suggested this already), then you can post up whatever you want (within reason obviously, I mean don't start swearing at each other etc), just a suggestion