Totally Bewildered

[wee ecky]

Oh dear, dummies out of the prams this morning.

First, thanks to all who attended the dance in Newbridge last night and congrats. to those who won trophies, sad that some didn`t bother to come to pick theirs up.

Now to the `simple mind` ( Colin, your words not mine) who doesn`t seem to understand how the winners are chosen. Well let me try to aid that `simple mind`. Winning 4 races (well done good racing) but sprint races, where were you in the 200+ml races. These all count when choosing the Fancier of the Year which is chosen by the Fed. racing and the SNFC racing. This was decided by Dale Renwick and is donated in his father`s name.

If anyone has a grievance about ANYTHING there are meetings you can attend and air these. You can also learn the rules and regulations at these meetings which might help some of you to understand the way things are run.

Don`t be a faceless wonder and sit at a keyboard and slag people off for doing a job that the most of you probably couldn`t be bothered to to do. It just seems to me like a big bunch of sour grapes on the part of some who`ve won ZILCH.

So, by all means try harder and if that means getting more involved in the running of things, good. If not then stop moaning. As for a gang member, never felt the need to be in one.

[Guest Davy Fleming]

LOOKS LIKE SOUR GRAPES TO ME

[Tony C]

Colin, get a few like minded fanciers in your fed and between you donate a points trophy for all to race for. If you believe the winner of this trophy is the best flier in the fed go shake their hand and tell them so.

 

My personal view is points should determine the best flier.

[Craig05]

I could be wrong here, but im sure when i raced in South Africa, they took the velocity of your first bird and added them together throughout the season and then devided it by the amount of races giving you the fed champion that way.

 

it was more about timing a pigeon in every race, as if you missed one, you were instantly out of the running. not saying that its the right way to do it, but im sure thats how they used to work it out

[fletch]

 

Oh dear, dummies out of the prams this morning.

First, thanks to all who attended the dance in Newbridge last night and congrats. to those who won trophies, sad that some didn`t bother to come to pick theirs up.

Now to the `simple mind` ( Colin, your words not mine) who doesn`t seem to understand how the winners are chosen. Well let me try to aid that `simple mind`. Winning 4 races (well done good racing) but sprint races, where were you in the 200+ml races. These all count when choosing the Fancier of the Year which is chosen by the Fed. racing and the SNFC racing. This was decided by Dale Renwick and is donated in his father`s name.

If anyone has a grievance about ANYTHING there are meetings you can attend and air these. You can also learn the rules and regulations at these meetings which might help some of you to understand the way things are run.

Don`t be a faceless wonder and sit at a keyboard and slag people off for doing a job that the most of you probably couldn`t be bothered to to do. It just seems to me like a big bunch of sour grapes on the part of some who`ve won ZILCH.

So, by all means try harder and if that means getting more involved in the running of things, good. If not then stop moaning. As for a gang member, never felt the need to be in one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

so what your saying because his results were in sprint races he doesnt deserve to be best flyer, so what your saying he need to win the longer races,

what a load of bull s$%t.

bet you are a distance fanatic

 

 

ohh rundo great performances too hold your head up high mate great results

[Roundo]

can you not ask at the agm ? great results

 

I believe this question was asked at the last AGM, and to my knowledge there has been no response.

I could be wrong

[Roundo]

our fed is run on a point system

 

That's a good way to do it.

How do the points work mate? positions etc....

 

Colin.

[Roundo]

been watchin ur results this year colin you have flown realy well but ur face face doe.s not fit , and well done , john ,jmo

 

Thanks for the comments John, they're much appreciated.

 

My face obviously doesn't fit, but in saying that there were other fanciers in the Fed this year put up some great performances.

So although I'm bewildered by the decision, it's not just about my results, there are others.

 

Colin.

[Roundo]

Top racing Colin m8 I think some Feds take into account SNFC results, whether this is right or wrong I don,t know, but I personally feel a Federation Fancier of the year should rely on Federation results JMO

 

would be interested to see the results of the winning fancier

 

Thanks mate.

If it's Fed fancier of the year then it has to be Fed racing only, if National racing is included then that's acceptable, but it's not every Fed member who races the Nationals.

 

I too would be interested in the results of the winner, at least the members of the Fed can use these results as a benchmark for the seasons ahead.

 

Colin.

[novo10]

Thanks mate.

If it's Fed fancier of the year then it has to be Fed racing only, if National racing is included then that's acceptable, but it's not every Fed member who races the Nationals.

 

I too would be interested in the results of the winner, at least the members of the Fed can use these results as a benchmark for the seasons ahead.

 

Colin.

colin john mcneil was awsome again this year m8 and yes u had great results also but u will need to get up earlier and turn results in your favour jmo

[Roundo]

"if your face fits"

 

Yes Colin sad but true, and also depends on your "postcode" too.

 

Well done on some top perfromances, and never let them get to you.

 

It is sad Mick, but that's life mate as we all know.

Thanks for the comments

 

They will certainly never get to me, there's far more important things in life

As far as pigeons are concerned, I want to continue enjoying them to the max.

 

Colin.

[Jolly]

Your totally bewildered!!! My brother Alan topped the fed on 4 occasions and mr D.gullane of the cental fed told him sorry no trophies we don't have enough for you,this guy's a joke and so is the fed if they don't know who wins what and what people are due.(do your homework)they will take thier fee's when due.But I suppose if your not in the gang then you get nowt.

 

 

sorry there were no trophys for Allan but there are not many for the young bird races and as far as i am aware the officials purchased the trophy he got just to show that he had had a good racing season

[novo10]

sorry there were no trophys for Allan but there are not many for the young bird races and as far as i am aware the officials purchased the trophy he got just to show that he had had a good racing season

i think we win 20 plus trophys and region d averages he can have ours if he wants :L:P:)

[Roundo]

colin john mcneil was awsome again this year m8 and yes u had great results also but u will need to get up earlier and turn results in your favour jmo

 

I'm not taking anything away from his results, I'd be one of the first to shake a fanciers hand if they put up great results......some people can't do that.

This isn't just about me, there are other fanciers in the Fed put up great results........it's the criteria that has to be clarified.

 

I get more satisfaction competing well in the Fed with my small team of birds, sending on average 20-30 birds per week, sometimes less.

 

Colin.

[Wiley]

That's a good way to do it.

How do the points work mate? positions etc....

 

Colin.

 

Colin our fed only gives the top 20 positions basically, if your first fed you get 20 points, 2nd fed 19points and so on....

 

I could be wrong here, but im sure when i raced in South Africa, they took the velocity of your first bird and added them together throughout the season and then devided it by the amount of races giving you the fed champion that way.

 

it was more about timing a pigeon in every race, as if you missed one, you were instantly out of the running. not saying that its the right way to do it, but im sure thats how they used to work it out

 

sounds more like an average to me

[JohnQuinn]

In nearly all cases, the guy who wins the Fed Averages has generally been at the top of the results sheet every week, from start to finish, maybe have a bad race in there somewhere but the consistency in the loft ensures he will be nearer the top than the bottom of the results on a regular basis, the exception is when you have a smash of a race and only a handful in race time, eliminating the majority of the members. This is how it goes every year in Lanarkshire because if your gonna win our Averages your doos will need to be way Beyond Average to achieve it!!

 

My Da nearly done it in 1995, he won 9/12 old bird races in the club and took an avalanche of Fed tickets. We had 1 bad race, Cheltenham, 3rd club in a sticky race, when we were 40 mins behind the Fed topper. Jim Cameron of Uddingston won them that year i'm sure, on a decimal from a 3 man partnership from Cambuslang club in second, canny mind their names (Corr, Coyle & Graham???) with my Da 3rd 1.3 Yd's behind them.

I'm sure most average winners across the Feds are performing like this too, that is why i think the man who wins the Averages is the best fancier in his respective Fed.

[Roundo]

Oh dear, dummies out of the prams this morning.

First, thanks to all who attended the dance in Newbridge last night and congrats. to those who won trophies, sad that some didn`t bother to come to pick theirs up.

Now to the `simple mind` ( Colin, your words not mine) who doesn`t seem to understand how the winners are chosen. Well let me try to aid that `simple mind`. Winning 4 races (well done good racing) but sprint races, where were you in the 200+ml races. These all count when choosing the Fancier of the Year which is chosen by the Fed. racing and the SNFC racing. This was decided by Dale Renwick and is donated in his father`s name.

If anyone has a grievance about ANYTHING there are meetings you can attend and air these. You can also learn the rules and regulations at these meetings which might help some of you to understand the way things are run.

Don`t be a faceless wonder and sit at a keyboard and slag people off for doing a job that the most of you probably couldn`t be bothered to to do. It just seems to me like a big bunch of sour grapes on the part of some who`ve won ZILCH.

So, by all means try harder and if that means getting more involved in the running of things, good. If not then stop moaning. As for a gang member, never felt the need to be in one.

 

Yes, congratulations to all that picked up prizes last night, hope the night went well?

It's a real shame that a prize list isn't posted to the members to let them all know who has won what and if there is a trophy to be collected.

One fancier is still actually waiting on a phone call to let him know if he has anything to pick up......bit late now!

 

What does it matter if it was sprint racing? what has that got to do with it?

 

In our Fed we have 9 Ob races & 6 Yb races, that's a total of 15 races

How many of these races are over 200 miles?

I can only count 4, not many over an entire season.

 

Anyway, here are my results from these 4 races over 200 miles -

 

Newark - 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th & 8th Fed.

Leicester 1 - 1st, 4th, 12th, 24th & 28th Fed.

Leicester 2 - 6th, 20th, 23rd & 32nd Fed.

Maidstone Open - Didn't send as I had other commitments.

 

Not bad results in my eyes.......what was your point?

 

If the criteria includes National racing then that's certainly acceptable by me, and I would expect by all the other members.

That was always the question, "What is the criteria", which now seems to be a bit clearer.

Seems a shame that the fanciers who clearly concentrate on their Fed racing will never be considered for this top prize.

I'm sure there is a large percentage of the Fed members who either don't send to the Nationals or are even a member.

 

I like that one, "Faceless wonder" behind a keybord slagging people off.

Sorry, I'm the one that has my face on my profile, where's yours????

I wouldn't type anything that I wouldn't say to someones face, you should know me better than that.

Anybody that knows me well enough knows that I've only got ONE face.

 

Don't know where the sour grapes comes from, that beats me that one.

 

Only just last year a fancier in my Club topped the region 4 times (that's four) with the SNFC, which I thought was outstanding, plus he put up some very good Fed performances, and he didn't get fancier of the year.

Is that not bewildering or what????

 

Sorry about the helping out a bit more, but I have a life away from pigeons, which I don't intend to change.

Pigeons aren't my life, obviously with some people they are.

 

Yip, I think we've all got to try harder next year, it would be rather boring if we didn't........why stand still??

 

Colin.

[alec guinness]

In nearly all cases, the guy who wins the Fed Averages has generally been at the top of the results sheet every week, from start to finish, maybe have a bad race in there somewhere but the consistency in the loft ensures he will be nearer the top than the bottom of the results on a regular basis, the exception is when you have a smash of a race and only a handful in race time, eliminating the majority of the members. This is how it goes every year in Lanarkshire because if your gonna win our Averages your doos will need to be way Beyond Average to achieve it!!

 

My Da nearly done it in 1995, he won 9/12 old bird races in the club and took an avalanche of Fed tickets. We had 1 bad race, Cheltenham, 3rd club in a sticky race, when we were 40 mins behind the Fed topper. Jim Cameron of Uddingston won them that year i'm sure, on a decimal from a 3 man partnership from Cambuslang club in second, canny mind their names (Corr, Coyle & Graham???) with my Da 3rd 1.3 Yd's behind them.

I'm sure most average winners across the Feds are performing like this too, that is why i think the man who wins the Averages is the best fancier in his respective Fed.

 

corr and coyle were from the chryston club john and they did win the lanarkshire fed avs,hope this helps.

[JohnQuinn]

Cheers, was there no another partner? i'm sure the guys i was thinking of were 3 strong that year.

[Jolly]

great flying colin ,but, would be interesting to see what the winner won and also what you won the rest of the season ?. oh and forgot to say i disagree with j.quinn if some fancier wins 10 x first fed and some one wins the averages just because he/ she goes to or times in ,in every race doesnt make them fancier of the year imo.

 

Colin

I think you may have made a mistake the fancier in question topped the region 3 times but it was not the officials that picked fancier of the year last year it was sent out to 3 fanciers outwith the federation the fancier that won it won section d averages and had good federation results

[Roundo]

Colin

I think you may have made a mistake the fancier in question topped the region 3 times but it was not the officials that picked fancier of the year last year it was sent out to 3 fanciers outwith the federation the fancier that won it won section d averages and had good federation results

 

My mistake, it was only the 3 times, still outstanding.

Now that we all know that it's judged over Federation & National racing makes matters much clearer.

Some of us don't have enough birds to compete the way some fanciers do.....but that's up to the individual.

 

How would it be if a fancier tops the Fed 10 weeks on the trot, but doesn't compete with the National, does that mean he doesn't stand a chance in getting fancier of the year?

It could happen.......

 

Colin.

[hotrod]

ive just been told that the winner of (fancier of the year central fed mr j.mcneill) had 67 fed tickets this year compaired to you colin with 37 is this true?

[Jolly]

My mistake, it was only the 3 times, still outstanding.

Now that we all know that it's judged over Federation & National racing makes matters much clearer.

Some of us don't have enough birds to compete the way some fanciers do.....but that's up to the individual.

 

How would it be if a fancier tops the Fed 10 weeks on the trot, but doesn't compete with the National, does that mean he doesn't stand a chance in getting fancier of the year?

It could happen.......

 

Colin.

 

All fanciers are considered you were also considered this year along with others you were also considered last year the three i know that were forwarded last year was D Jamieson east/c

who was fancier of the year and rightly so with the performances he put up J McNeill and yourself. as for topping the federation 10 times that would be a miracle for someone to do this but as you said this could happen but all performaces will be considered i know fanciers that have topped our federation 5 or six times in a year and not won fancier of the year and dont complain about there faces fitting and being in a gang etc

[Roundo]

ive just been told that the winner of (fancier of the year central fed mr j.mcneill) had 67 fed tickets this year compaired to you colin with 37 is this true?

 

Are you telling me it's true?

It's not based on Fed performances only, so thats immaterial.

The criteria has already been clarified in an earlier post.

Not bad though for a small back garden fancier.

 

Anyway, it's not about my performances, there are other top flyers in Central Fed.

 

Thanks anyway.

[Roundo]

All fanciers are considered you were also considered this year along with others you were also considered last year the three i know that were forwarded last year was D Jamieson east/c

who was fancier of the year and rightly so with the performances he put up J McNeill and yourself. as for topping the federation 10 times that would be a miracle for someone to do this but as you said this could happen but all performaces will be considered i know fanciers that have topped our federation 5 or six times in a year and not won fancier of the year and dont complain about there faces fitting and being in a gang etc

 

From the very first posting I have never looked for justification with the Feds decision, or who was in contention, all I was asking was for the criteria to be stated, which it has been done.

As far as I'm concerned that's that, no sour grapes behind this keyboard.

 

Roll on 2011.

 

ATB

 

PS. Sent you a pm.