slatey Posted October 5, 2009 Report Posted October 5, 2009 thanks...if all the club is on ets does it eliminate the need for a mastertimer etc ? thats correct if all club on ets you dont use a master
Mealy Cock Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 ETS – Clarification on RPRA Rules 10/04/2008 15:36:05 - Peter Bryant Rule 230 is effectively in two parts: a) Clubs cannot refuse members members the use of ETS Clubs that do not have the facilities/equipment for ETS, or officials competent to use ETS would not then have the necessary provision to use ETS. It should be noted however that training may be available and some ETS manufacturers do supply the necessary club equipment. TIME PENALTIES Fanciers using ETS shall not have time penalties added to their clocking times. RUBBER RINGS Fanciers cannot be forced to fly a two tier system, ie ETS plus rubbers and conventional clocking. ETS PADS/ANTENNAE No restriction on the number of pads per loft and there is no requirement to seal the pads. The antennae must be fitted within the confines of the loft/trapping system. Club officials can make random checks at any time; members not complying can be dealt with under Rule 70A.
PIGEON_MAN Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 ETS – Clarification on RPRA Rules 10/04/2008 15:36:05 - Peter Bryant Rule 230 is effectively in two parts: a) Clubs cannot refuse members members the use of ETS Clubs that do not have the facilities/equipment for ETS, or officials competent to use ETS would not then have the necessary provision to use ETS. It should be noted however that training may be available and some ETS manufacturers do supply the necessary club equipment. TIME PENALTIES Fanciers using ETS shall not have time penalties added to their clocking times. RUBBER RINGS Fanciers cannot be forced to fly a two tier system, ie ETS plus rubbers and conventional clocking. ETS PADS/ANTENNAE No restriction on the number of pads per loft and there is no requirement to seal the pads. The antennae must be fitted within the confines of the loft/trapping system. Club officials can make random checks at any time; members not complying can be dealt with under Rule 70A. Was wondering Mealy Cock why you decided to put this up,if you noticed this was dated 10/4/08,I believe that the rules are different now.
Roland Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 hi all if am the only member in my club who wants ets can a get it or can the club stop me :-/ No of course not. Mind if no one wants to learn, or no ones feels able, to set up and run it for you on 'Marking Night', then you still can't use it of corse as you can't do it your selve. then again does one want to up set all the other members :-/ Could be if you offer them 17 sec leeway on your first timer and 5 seconds every one there after some may mellow towards you. Most, most likely won't. I don't think the Fed can or would say one way or the other as it is up to individual clubs. But best be it by far to win support than any confrontation or animosity ... that may well mean you leaving the club and then no other club allow you in. You would then have to use a manual for another club to send your birds for Fed honours only. nationals etc. wouldn't affect you ... though seems that even then you will have to time in manually also like the Belgiums do etc. Remember that there is in reality very little in real terms of any sportsmanship in this or any other game. Think if you must be the odd one out, best to stay reasonable with your fellow members.
demolition man Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 What is everyones problem with ETS? It don't make birds any faster! Once your birds are registed on the pc then down loaded on the system your using its easy. Only problem I see for you is getting someone to do it for you. I BET MOST OF YOUR CLUB MEMBERS USE THIMBLESS CLOCKS TO GAIN THOSE FEW SECONDS ASWELL. yet they won't have ETS In the club. All the best ETS user
vanreets Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 What is everyones problem with ETS? It don't make birds any faster! Once your birds are registed on the pc then down loaded on the system your using its easy. Only problem I see for you is getting someone to do it for you. I BET MOST OF YOUR CLUB MEMBERS USE THIMBLESS CLOCKS TO GAIN THOSE FEW SECONDS ASWELL. yet they won't have ETS In the club. All the best ETS user well in a way it does make it faster because it takes longer for some one to take a rubber off than the ets
demolition man Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 well in a way it does make it faster because it takes longer for some one to take a rubber off than the ets I said it dont make your birds any faster your got to get the birds home first
vanreets Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 I said it dont make your birds any faster your got to get the birds home first yeah suppose but those seconds must count
holmsidelofts Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 As far as im aware they cant refuse any clock that has been past as exceptable by the union. If i wanted i could bring my toulet in and they couldnt refuse me the use of it. I would certainly be taking it to the union if the club refuse me. Good luck. Jas.
vanreets Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 As far as im aware they cant refuse any clock that has been past as exceptable by the union. If i wanted i could bring my toulet in and they couldnt refuse me the use of it. I would certainly be taking it to the union if the club refuse me. Good luck. Jas. ;)
PIGEON_MAN Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 As far as im aware they cant refuse any clock that has been past as exceptable by the union. If i wanted i could bring my toulet in and they couldnt refuse me the use of it. I would certainly be taking it to the union if the club refuse me. Good luck. Jas. The problem is not having the clock refused its weather there is enough people in the club that will do all the work involved.
vanreets Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 The problem is not having the clock refused its weather there is enough people in the club that will do all the work involved. yeah when not all can afford the same ets or clock
demolition man Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 yeah when not all can afford the same ets or clock I do it in my club its easy and it save club money in rubbers
Roland Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 What is everyones problem with ETS? It don't make birds any faster! Once your birds are registed on the pc then down loaded on the system your using its easy. Only problem I see for you is getting someone to do it for you. I BET MOST OF YOUR CLUB MEMBERS USE THIMBLESS CLOCKS TO GAIN THOSE FEW SECONDS ASWELL. yet they won't have ETS In the club. All the best ETS user Or why does one have to repeat the same of codswallop as this every time ET is mentioned? :-/ :-/ :-/ :o Firstly it has nothing (YET again) to do with the question and secondarily Though it doesn't make a bird fly fastter IR certainly does MAKE Clocking A lot FASTER! Which improves every week too as birds don't become trap shy, where many manual clockers birds may due to just a spot to much eagerness of abrught movement... Surely one should be asking you 'What is your beef about fanciers asking'! :-/ :-/
vanreets Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 Or why does one have to repeat the same of codswallop as this every time ET is mentioned? :-/ :-/ :-/ :o Firstly it has nothing (YET again) to do with the question and secondarily IT doe MAKE Clocking A lot FASTER! It improves every week too as birds don't become trap shy... Surely one should be asking you 'What is your beef about fanciers asking'! AGREE A LOT FASTER
demolition man Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 Or why does one have to repeat the same of codswallop as this every time ET is mentioned? :-/ :-/ :-/ :o Firstly it has nothing (YET again) to do with the question and secondarily Though it doesn't make a bird fly fastter IR certainly does MAKE Clocking A lot FASTER! Which improves every week too as birds don't become trap shy, where many manual clockers birds may due to just a spot to much eagerness of abrught movement... Surely one should be asking you 'What is your beef about fanciers asking'! :-/ :-/ live with the times its here and its gonna stay
vanreets Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 live with the times its here and its gonna stay TIME IS CHANGING
Roland Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 live with the times its here and its gonna stay Cofirms demolition man. Streuth is there any one out there that didn't know!!! :B :B :( haven't seen any anti comments have we? No ones asking for a testiment are there? :o Like I say, another rather silly and stupid reply just reinforced needlessly. No one says it's not here, or isn't going to stay. So stop sweating and get real will you. Or are you Just reaffirming what everyone knows and accepts, by hi jacking a thread where some one is asking for advice! Gosh nary a thread where one dares ask for any advice or thoughts on ET's be regards what the best is, best functions, costs, how to use etc. etc. etc. where silly posts quickly swamp it with well worn out old jargon.
Mealy Cock Posted October 14, 2009 Report Posted October 14, 2009 Was wondering Mealy Cock why you decided to put this up,if you noticed this was dated 10/4/08,I believe that the rules are different now. I think you will find not much as changed, however if you can post an up to date rule I am sure other fanciers will appreciate it.
Roland Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 thats like me i have got me own laptop and am clock setter so all they have to do is put me birds threw the scanner insted of puttin a rubber on them :-/ Illegal I believe ... two two do it at least and ONE must not be you! Indeed one sticks the leg in another reads it and another places birds in thecrate.So you shouldn't even be near it, clock setter or not! However I take your point, and know where it's coming from and the intent like most.
demolition man Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 live with the times its here and its gonna stay Cofirms demolition man. Streuth is there any one out there that didn't know!!! :B :B :( haven't seen any anti comments have we? No ones asking for a testiment are there? :o Like I say, another rather silly and stupid reply just reinforced needlessly. No one says it's not here, or isn't going to stay. So stop sweating and get real will you. Or are you Just reaffirming what everyone knows and accepts, by hi jacking a thread where some one is asking for advice! Gosh nary a thread where one dares ask for any advice or thoughts on ET's be regards what the best is, best functions, costs, how to use etc. etc. etc. where silly posts quickly swamp it with well worn out old jargon. Could you explain the term cofirm's demolition man. From what you say it apears that i have hijacked this site did you read my first posting? Because this was never my intetion and from what i have been reading it state from some of the posting that members do not want ets in there clubs and are stoping them using it, Is this not true? (I MAY OF MISREAD SOME OF THESE QUOTE'S DUE TO MY MILD DYSLEXIA) and if I have offended you or anyone with my posting's then i can only apoligise
Roland Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 No you have not offended me .... far from it. Just that every single post regards the Et, in whatever capacity it is of, the Pro ET Mobb have a field day repeating the same ole gabbage. Simply put, many that have genuine concerns or beg for an answer in regards of any subject of ET's they are out. Most must be as thick as 12 short planks ... especially when the two silliest c rap scenario are put for as if it was the first time. Won't make the birds fly any fatsre. No, but over a season at least 30 seconds or more is gained on clocking. And the other so ridiculous observation of 'It's here ... get use to it'! I'd say EVERY maual clocker knows that of by heart. Most know and appreciate why it was brought in through the back door. Right or wrong... but it's here now and that will never change. having said that the Questipn was: 'help with E.T.S' regarding advice of ones rights. the way to go forward etc. Know of clubs where they just won't be having them at all in the near future. Will be a time when clubs are reformed for 'Manual Clockers' only etc. etc. but will finish up most having them AND still like the Belgiums having to have a Manual clock set up too, especially for Nationals etc. So the ET will still score a bit as the birds won't be trap shy. Any way ........ Back to baking me bread, making a few pork pies and sausages.
Roland Posted October 15, 2009 Report Posted October 15, 2009 You know matey, you can go to ANY other club in your fed and have them mark the birds. Sec has to write partic and same clocking in. But you must have the reciept in the hand of yout Club Sec before RAace time etc. I fell out big time with a Secretary. Was going to him but thought better and took me birds for the rest of the old birds and y/b's to another club 12 miles away. The sec got his comuppance big time via another member and packed up ... not before time. But I believe it is better to amiacal and accept the club and not fall out ... they will be doing the ETs before longe and that's for sure.
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