Why Why Why - Why these losses?

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Been that way for decades mate

[Guest stb-]

Robert, My point was that if you only have a short window the big Feds are going to go no matter what anyone says because all they are interested in is getting there birds liberated. Do you think they spend a few hundred Quid and going to a site with there 20,000 doos then say Oh the Almond Valley with there 2000 doos are going at a time which means if we don't go at that time we will have to go home because of the weather . Yes, you are right about a Mass Lib and the damage it would cause but it is really an impossible situation and as someone says the traffic is now very busy down that side . Also the guys from Cumbria have already told us it is a NO NO from that area as well due to the amount of BOP. BOTTOM LINE IS WE CAN DEBATE THIS FROM NOW TO DOOMSDAY AND NEVER GET AN ANSWER THAT WILL KEEP EVERYONE HAPPY. You know what it's like going to even a club meeting and the arguments that arise from time to time so how do you think Clubs and Feds north and South of the border are going to agree . An extremely difficult problem where there are no real answer I'm afraid. Know one thing the BOP is more than a massive problem and if we got rid of some of them to respectable numbers then maybe we can all go forward a bit

 

And also the BHW is never up to date as someone states so you can't win

[Guest stb-]

the only answer to this is when the north and south roaders come into close proximitty of one another is to have north on sat south on sunday or week about turns each this would tottaly eliminate the clashing problem in one go , then the next issue is the BOP which also massivly contributes to it , new things must be tried as the sport simply cannot continue under the current structure

[novo10]

the best coast easily is the west coast and it has been for last 2 years

[JohnJ]

the best coast easily is the west coast and it has been for last 2 years

are you on the drink ? lol

[johno]

DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT PETER BUT I KNOW A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE IS STILL WAITING ON 11 FROM 19 SENT TO THE RACE TODAY

i know a lot of people who are missing a number of birds alf. my main point is that no one is to blame. controller and convoyer did the same as they do every week, when the racing is good no one says anything. when rhe going gets tough everyone is looking for a hammer and nails.the barbed comments and bar room experts are forcing convoyers and race controllers out the door with attacks based on supposition.asking questions is fine. proposala are fine. both should be followed through to agms and discussed in full there. personal attacks based on supposition are not good. if we think the race officials are not up to it replace them.do not attack them on forums like this do it officially and see where the rest of the members stand on the issue when it comes to the crunch.

[Darnaway]

Got to agree with Johno. Glasgow Fed up till this race have had excellent returns with most members really happy. when you increase the distance you increase the chance of losses and if the wind makes for a harder day then the risk of dropping youngsters increases.

 

Who would be a controller ?

 

It is a thankless task and we should be thankfull to the people who sometimes sacrifice their own racing enjoyment to ensure the rest of us get a race.

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Got to agree with Johno. Glasgow Fed up till this race have had excellent returns with most members really happy. when you increase the distance you increase the chance of losses and if the wind makes for a harder day then the risk of dropping youngsters increases.

 

Who would be a controller ?

 

It is a thankless task and we should be thankfull to the people who sometimes sacrifice their own racing enjoyment to ensure the rest of us get a race.

 

Would say i have to agree with this.sent 12 and only got 3 so far.nothing this morning. Our race controler has done well and i have said this long befor yesterday.Birds brob clashed with yorkshire birds those that did not will be up Aberdeen way.

 

Its a hard game the Doos eah Alf

 

Theres always next year

[Guest stb-]

i know a lot of people who are missing a number of birds alf. my main point is that no one is to blame. controller and convoyer did the same as they do every week, when the racing is good no one says anything. when rhe going gets tough everyone is looking for a hammer and nails.the barbed comments and bar room experts are forcing convoyers and race controllers out the door with attacks based on supposition.asking questions is fine. proposala are fine. both should be followed through to agms and discussed in full there. personal attacks based on supposition are not good. if we think the race officials are not up to it replace them.do not attack them on forums like this do it officially and see where the rest of the members stand on the issue when it comes to the crunch.

Johno ,forums are for discussing issues that have been posted on them , people post looking for an imput to the problem whatever it is , if all discussions were left till feb mar next year for agm most would have forgot bye then how bad racing has really gotten .

looking through the posts i dont think anyone has come out and said its the convoyer or race controllers etc, this is an overall general prob not just with any particular organisation

and all contributing factors should be disscused and looked at . no point in closing shop and saying everything was spot on when no one actually knows if it was , you dont know whot the birds meet a few miles up the road or not far from libb sites , also noticed that quite a few of the north roaders have had same problems yestrday , also on that note it seems that the feds that went at witton castle at 11 am are doing 1700 with very good returns . The problem time yesterday for north and south road seems to be around the 6.45 til 7.15 time when a lot have all went at the sa,e time in a reasonably close proximity . The way the racing is going it wont be long before you dont need controllers etc cause there will be none left to send

would be very interest to see who all went up within a 25 mile radius of each other yeasterday

think you would get a suprise at the amount that did

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Johno ,forums are for discussing issues that have been posted on them , people post looking for an imput to the problem whatever it is , if all discussions were left till feb mar next year for agm most would have forgot bye then how bad racing has really gotten .

looking through the posts i dont think anyone has come out and said its the convoyer or race controllers etc, this is an overall general prob not just with any particular organisation

and all contributing factors should be disscused and looked at . no point in closing shop and saying everything was spot on when no one actually knows if it was , you dont know whot the birds meet a few miles up the road or not far from libb sites , also noticed that quite a few of the north roaders have had same problems yestrday , also on that note it seems that the feds that went at witton castle at 11 am are doing 1700 with very good returns . The problem time yesterday for north and south road seems to be around the 6.45 til 7.15 time when a lot have all went at the sa,e time in a reasonably close proximity . The way the racing is going it wont be long before you dont need controllers etc cause there will be none left to send

would be very interest to see who all went up within a 25 mile radius of each other yeasterday

think you would get a suprise at the amount that did

 

Spot on mate.would be happy to attend such a meeting,and you are right now is the time. Our probs come from lack of guidence and leadership. We raced on Sat cause we alwas race on a Sat.Hard to imagine race controller not knowing about other libs in the area.However refuse to critisise had job thankless job.it is us as fanciers who do not give enough room for manouver.there is surley reason for a change in goals.

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[Guest stb-]

Got to agree with Johno. Glasgow Fed up till this race have had excellent returns with most members really happy. when you increase the distance you increase the chance of losses and if the wind makes for a harder day then the risk of dropping youngsters increases.

 

Who would be a controller ?

 

It is a thankless task and we should be thankfull to the people who sometimes sacrifice their own racing enjoyment to ensure the rest of us get a race.

Last week was not to clever either at berwick loads off doos missing there awell m8 yo must have been at a different race point fae me and plenty others

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Sorry time out

 

Our aim when we send birds should be to say to our race controllers do all you can to get our birds back.if this means a no race on a monday or a time when the skys are less full,then so be it the birds must come first not our need to Race on a Sat.

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Well said mate

[Guest stb-]

Sorry time out

 

Our aim when we send birds should be to say to our race controllers do all you can to get our birds back.if this means a no race on a monday or a time when the skys are less full,then so be it the birds must come first not our need to Race on a Sat.

I think a different day friday sunday monday could possibilly make a big difference to the outcome of races at these particular weeks in the season when every man and his dog are all at the same geographical areas , as we start earlier i think that makes a good difference to the racing being successfull but bye taking it one step further bye going to diffrent days from north roaders i think it could be even more successfull , obviously you still have bop etc to deal with asweel but thats just another part off the problem .

people have to have young birds left at the end off the season to keep the sport alive

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Trouble is we talked of this last year and we will talk of it again next year.Pigeon men do not take to change and thats a fact

[Guest stb-]

Trouble is we talked of this last year and we will talk of it again next year.Pigeon men do not take to change and thats a fact

BIT OFF SADO MASACHISIM THERE THEN RAB , SELF INFLICTED HARM SEEMS TO GO DOWN A TREAT WITH A LOT , OR DO THEY JUST NOT GIVE A TOSS ABOUT IT OR FORGET AS SOON AS Y B RACING IS OVER M8

[Guest lenwadebob]

I think a different day friday sunday monday could possibilly make a big difference to the outcome of races at these particular weeks in the season when every man and his dog are all at the same geographical areas , as we start earlier i think that makes a good difference to the racing being successfull but bye taking it one step further bye going to diffrent days from north roaders i think it could be even more successfull , obviously you still have bop etc to deal with asweel but thats just another part off the problem .

people have to have young birds left at the end off the season to keep the sport alive

 

Rob, I have been suggesting different days for liberations of North and South roaders for years, but it has just been poo poo'd by the vast majority who have become so set in their own ways over many years. You only have to look at the problems of a few weeks back with the amount of separate liberations going into Scotland alone, that were all going in the same general direction to see the mayhem, and this didn't have birds going in the opposite direction. I produced a map, which was reproduced by Joe Murphy in his column in this weeks BHW to emphasize my point. When are we as individual fanciers going to sing from the same song sheet and force our clubs, and in turn the federations etc, to see sense. Yes there are other factors involved in YB losses, but in my humble opinion hundreds of liberations, all going in different directions, which inevitably will, and does, cause clashing is one of the major factors.

[roselan]

We need to let our convoyers know on the fri pryor to sat race were feds going in oppersite direction are if close by as they often change from advertised in BHW also Lib times stated in BHW are ignored even when weather is ok the only way is contact as many controllers or if possible convoyers to work it out and if you fly longer and into a head wind you go 1st and so on. If the time agreed changes we need to know! I thought if we contacted one of the Feds who were at a race point they would tell the others there and any change to what was agreed could be reported back.

[Grim Reaper]

Clashing of convoys has been a problem for years......and will continue to be so !!

If anyone thinks there will be mass communication between organisations to prioritise liberations, you are sadly mistaken, it's not going to happen. As has been stated previously, the larger convoys will want priority over everyone regardless, thus the smaller organisations will be looked upon with destain.

Too many organisations liberate within a small window, and it's a 'dog eat dog' scenario.

Some token communications are being made at present between organisations, but if you think it will ever be the normal practise for there to be nationwide cross-consultation......you're havin' a laugh !! Be realistic and live in the world of what does happen, and not in the fantasy world of what we would like to happen !!

[sammy]

the best coast easily is the west coast and it has been for last 2 years

and thats how you s are continually wiped out

[novo10]

[quote name=sammy' date='22 August 2010 - 08:39 AM' timestamp='12824 66342' post='582475]

and thats how you s are continually wiped out

if u want 2 come and see weve got 34 old birds and started wae 63 lost most of them wae national and still got 75 young birds so hows that out 34 old birds out 2 at least the coast

[alex wight]

Clashing of convoys has been a problem for years......and will continue to be so !!

If anyone thinks there will be mass communication between organisations to prioritise liberations, you are sadly mistaken, it's not going to happen. As has been stated previously, the larger convoys will want priority over everyone regardless, thus the smaller organisations will be looked upon with destain.

Too many organisations liberate within a small window, and it's a 'dog eat dog' scenario.

Some token communications are being made at present between organisations, but if you think it will ever be the normal practise for there to be nationwide cross-consultation......you're havin' a laugh !! Be realistic and live in the world of what does happen, and not in the fantasy world of what we would like to happen !!

 

 

What an attitude, you try and suggest a meaning full way to help each other, and this is the type of response that is killing our sport. I take it by your response, you would be one of the ones that says "up yours we will liberate when we want". I know we are living in a dog eat dog world, that will only be the demise of our sport, which is dying on its a rse anyway.

 

However thank you for your opinion, much appreciated.

 

alex.

[Guest Greig the doo Drysdale]

Why do all fed not just join together like a national and liberate from the same race point and have it all section winners like feds you can still get the same prize money and a bigger head if you win tyhe race outright that way it will sort the men from the boys and still give the boys a chance to win the club now and then its not rocket science is it

 

Scotland broke into 4 sections North South East West then regions 1 2 3 4 etc etc and that then gives you an over all result or even 4 clubs north south east west and chose a race program to suit each direction save alot of hassle that way also and fair on everyone

[Daisymay]

With the amount of clashing where do the birds go, Hundreds lost and a fraction reported

 

Alan & John

[Grim Reaper]

What an attitude, you try and suggest a meaning full way to help each other, and this is the type of response that is killing our sport. I take it by your response, you would be one of the ones that says "up yours we will liberate when we want". I know we are living in a dog eat dog world, that will only be the demise of our sport, which is dying on its a rse anyway.

 

However thank you for your opinion, much appreciated.

 

alex.

 

I have a realistic attitude !!

The idea for organisations to communicate re - liberations is brilliant on paper......but in practise it won't get off the ground.....that's the reality !!!