Do you dispose of your birds if they are no good?

[Guest]

Let the basket decide. You wont get many bad birds back from 400 to 550 miles.

[jimmy white]

if you want to give away rubbish , all you are doing is belittleing yourself, how nice it is to give birds away, receive a phone call now and again, to say , either that birds won or that bird has bred a winner

and agree entirely with james mcglauchlin, most distance birds dont really mature till their 3 years old, and as spelbin says,it takes very special birds to be able to fly, and score, in 400 to 550 miles, i would stretch that to over 600 miles, it takes patience,breeding , and time, to achive this .

and to young westy, you can actually get good well bred birds, that have been possibly injured in some way, free, from decent fanciers,who maybe dont have the room for them, they may still help breed you a good foundation team.

[Guest]

Agree with 3 years to mature (4 seasons on the road) for distance birds. Don't do sprinters, but know our own sprinter ace has them scoring still at 4/5 years old so there doesn't appear to be an 'early' upper age limit for racing them.

 

Also agree that there is no point peddling rubbish to anyone, far less a new starter, except maybe as others have said, 'second rankers' for hobby, interest, or simply to learn how to look after birds. Based on my own new start experience, any person new to pigeons has an unhappy knack of losing even the best of  birds gifted to them... long before they ever see a race basket.

[Guest slugmonkey]

ALL of my 4-5 year olds have produced or they wouldnt be here I dont worry about culling I just fly them, bad birds eventually dont come back anything that comes from a 3 day 600 mile race is a good bird if they make it that far and not doing well on anything else then I have failed I either havent motivated the bird right or overlooked something

[Guest beautyhomer]

Best place for unwanted rubbish is the poultry section of the local livestock auction.Getting £1.00 a piece for killing is better than putting them in the bin,helps to pay the feed bills.Used to make pocket money as a lad catching ferals in  farm buildings and selling them in the auction.

Used to get the animal rights idiots buying them to stop them being killed,they would let them go only to be caught and sold again

[westy]

if you want to give away rubbish , all you are doing is belittleing yourself, how nice it is to give birds away, receive a phone call now and again, to say , either that birds won or that bird has bred a winner

and agree entirely with james mcglauchlin, most distance birds dont really mature till their 3 years old, and as spelbin says,it takes very special birds to be able to fly, and score, in 400 to 550 miles, i would stretch that to over 600 miles, it takes patience,breeding , and time, to achive this .

and to young westy, you can actually get good well bred birds, that have been possibly injured in some way, free, from decent fanciers,who maybe dont have the room for them, they may still help breed you a good foundation team.

that is what i am doing reciveing birds of pepole who have no room or simply no good to race anymore and i am breeding of them you never know one day they migth regret giving me them if they breed winners.

 

 

[fifestay]

I just wonder in the scheme of things how "our" (humans) worth is rated and how many of us would be culled if the same rules applied to humans. From the floor stand up the outstanding amongst us and the rest of us should go in the bin .... Would that be those over 55,? those that cant/wont work? those that earn less than 20K ...those with bad habits i.e. smoke drink?Maybe we should stick them all on a plane to France or Spain drop them off and see who comes home!! :o :o Those of us who aint Linford Christie sebastian Coe or Kelly Holmes ouch ;)

[Guest]

YOU HAVE POINT FIFESTAY WELL THATS ME IN THE BIN FIRST  :'( :'( :'(

[snowy]

the only reason we was given our first 2 (would have been culls) was because they had wing damage, not because the were rubbish. these birds came from the man who came 2nd in his club this year, & always fancied the cock bird to be a favorite winner,

since he has seen the cock bird recently, he swears that he would have been a winner & he said that its got the eyes for breeding & can we give him one of his young birds next spring.(which of course we will give him a pair).

[zetlandlad999]

A very emotive subject, which should not be brushed under the carpet and kept quiet about, it is the most distastfull side of Pigeon Racing, but it is something that has to be done, however now a days there are tools which can be bought that do the job quickly and efficiently and i feel that, to keep on the good side of the ANTIS every club should purchace one and the members use it instead of the usual methods of suppresion.

[Guest shadow]

everybody that can do it should purchase their own tool you never know when you may get a bird back badly injured, you dont want to have to go looking for the tool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[peterpau]

You don't have to dispose of many if you send to Pau. It's not just a way to get rid of rubbish, if you give 'em a fighting chance and get 'em, you can have a box full o' red cards and it means nothing.   ultimate distance  ultimate challenge unbelievable exhiloration

[Chris Little]

Racers either win or they dont , breeders either breed winners or they dont.

 

The bin is the best place for under achievers

[jimmy white]

i would tend to agree with chris but would add, providing" their management was right"i would have to say a lot of good pigeons are ruined, by ignorance or poor management, so b 4 i would" bin"i would have a good look at my managerial skills, and blame the pigeon last.

[Mike Lycett]

Racers either win or they dont , breeders either breed winners or they dont.

 

The bin is the best place for under achievers

 

 

Unfortunately totally agree

 

[westy]

Racers either win or they dont , breeders either breed winners or they dont.

 

The bin is the best place for under achievers

 

well from what i have heard and been told by fanciers on here, that a racer may not be good and win nuffin but you have to give them a chance to win something.  :-/

 

 

[Guest]

The basket decides the best pigeon, if you have prepared them right and they have it in them they will win. Im sure the majority of pigeons that get culled are from fanciers who prefer the sprint races as they generally have a shorter racing life than birds destined for the channel. And generally a patient distant fancier will give a bird another chance to prove itself, and it will either not come home or will win well. The only birds I cull are birds that consistently take the p--s and spend lots of nights out etc, or seem to ail to easy. Ive heard of people killing their darkness YBs off at the end of the YB season, which I think is taking the sport too far.

[jimmy white]

a fancier with poor management CANT blame his pigeons for not winning, ive seen them training in january feb and march and expect that pigeon to win a 500 mile race in july,,, 40 tosses in cold east winds, then having 11 races week after week up to 360 miles and 3 tosses a week while there racing,ITS THE FANCIER THAT SHOULD GO IN THE BIN.

[Tico]

This not a distasteful subject......Its just a tiny part of the sport......Im a fly or die fancier......I work hard for a living and to give my birds the best I can afford.....and I cant afford to keep birds that dont pay theyre way....simple as that ! Have we turned into a sport full of ostriches then guys?????

[speedbird]

well i usually give the bird 3year to prove its self if not done anything as a yb or as yearling final chance as a 2year old then afraid got to go after that dont believe on passing on rubbish to other people

[Guest]

iS IT NOT THE CASE THAT AS MORE YEARLINGS AND 2 YEAR OLDS ARE EXCELLING OVER 400 MILES THAT THE VIEW OF LONG DISTANCE BIRDS HAVING TO MATURE IS A BIT DATED.

aLTHOUGH I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH 600 MILERS NEEDING TIME.

[darin]

sometimes its not the birds fault there not winning ....! its the people who are flying them .....!  what might not be getting the best out of them.....???????

[westy]

well from on here it looks like bad birds are due to the flyer.

[pigeonchested]

Agree with Chris Little. Pigeons are only asked to race for roughly nine weeks of the year. The other 43 weeks we feed them, medicate them and generally mollycoddle them. Find them out early and you will save money in the long run.  

[Guest]

bEFORE CONDEMING ANY BIRD THE FIRST PLACE YOU SHOULD LOOK IS IN THE MORROR