Gaby Van den Abeeles

[swilcox]

There seems to be over a 100 Vandenabeeles for sale this week in the BHW for various reasons, some genuine, some clearing out and some cashing in i expect!!!

 

I certainly expect the Walker sale to be a big un anyone going?????

 

Stuart

[Guest Paulo]

seem to be the in thing in pigeons at the minute

[Guest]

i bought some of these off WFS in about 2000, got grandson wittenbuik, turbo etc etc, never seem to have done much good flying the route we fly

[Mike Lycett]

Has nothing to do with the route

 

They win in every direction going- BUT there's good & bad in all families

[Guest]

id like to disagree with you on that point. Have you tried flying the south east route?Didnt the MNFC try flying it when there was foot and mouth and if i remember correct loads of top pigeons were lost?

[Mike Lycett]

Gezza

 

You switch pigeons from one route to the other overnight (and it was overnight - I know I was the P.O) then you'll lose birds hand over fist.  You get the right Gaby's and they'll gobble that route up - they gobble everything else up.

[Guest]

No wouldnt like to say that, like someone said on here before loads for sale, its just a fad at the min everyone selling them, all trying to cash in. , dont get me wrong there are good ones out there but not as many as people are making out. Who would be soft enough to sell their best?anyway everyone has their own opinion!

[Guest]

Does anyone on here remember a fire at a loft in scotland - Norman Dixon rings a bell or was he writing for the BHW about it for some one? anyone any ideas? i sent 4 young ones up for him bout 5 yrs ago.

[richard]

I got some Gaby babies from two different sources this year, plus some latebreds from Stuart. Youngsters from both sources won for me on both easy and hard days. I am well please with them and I am looking forward to their yearling season.

Cheers

Richard

[Guest]

i think it doesnt matter wot birds u have from who ever.....if u cant fly a decent pigeon ur not gonna do any good with them!....but if u r a decent flyer with the right birds then uve got a chance.

[Mike Lycett]

id like to disagree with you on that point. Have you tried flying the south east route?Didnt the MNFC try flying it when there was foot and mouth and if i remember correct loads of top pigeons were lost?

 

You're insinuating that the Gaby's aren't capable of flying that route into Wales and trying to use ther half-cocked MNFC 2001 season as a yardstick to justify it which is completely out of order.

 

The best of the Gaby's are knocking the stuffing out of many of the top races - that's why they are in high demand. If your own aren't doing it then it's one of a few potential reasons.  Either a> the birds aren't suited to your management - or b> the ones you're working with aren't the business.   Either way, you can't castrate the entire family because of it

[swilcox]

How are the birds doing Richard? Did you get the pedigrees ok?

 

Stuart

[Guest Paulo]

What other breeds have you had apart from Gabys Mike?

[richard]

Yes thanks Stuart, they're looking good. Well pleased with them.

Cheers

Richard

[Mike Lycett]

85% are Gabys

 

We've a few Verkerks and a fabulous Kellens cock that we cross in now and again when the moment is right

[Guest Paulo]

Just curious as there so many different breeds out there. Hard to know what to go for as so the different strains have their own supporters and detractors. My dad wouldn't bother with anything else apart from buschaerts reckons all the other stuff is a waste of time he's had wildermersh he paid a forture for, janssens and they never did nowt but the buschaerts were dynamite and a lot of people in the North East would prob say the same thing.

 

I agree with you 100% on the following

 

"Either a> the birds aren't suited to your management - or b> the ones you're working with aren't the business.''

 

I've got Janssens, Buschaerts at the minute and am getting some Walter Doxc to try next year I'm open minded suppose its all just trying to get the right birds that win for you and are suited to your management. Suppose that is why a lot of top men sell pigeons that seem to do nothing for some people but in the right hands they are dynamite. Suppose you have to try enough birds out to give them a fair crack of the whip as well.

[Guest]

no what i was getting at is, not all pigeons are suited to all routes of flying, this is only my opinion.

in my opinion club and fed races that are flown on the south route are really in effect 'corridor racing' where as our route the birds are not coridor flying as they are crossing south roaders, north roaders etc etc. so this in effect is dirrerent racing to south or north road racing. if this sint in the birds head your wasting your time. is the same as cross country runners, and track 1500m runners completly different. again like i said these are my own opinions.

[Guest Paulo]

The only thing is I suppose the more popular a strain of pigeon becomes the more the price goes up and the more money there is the more some people will falsify pedigrees and lie through their teeth to sell birds off as that strain.

 

I believe M&D Evans have exposed people for lieing in the homing world and selling pigeons claimed to have been bred by them which weren't. Is that the reason they have sort of approved fanciers and recommend people to come to people like yourself Mike who have the proper bloodlines?

[Guest]

like i said earlier. u might have a racing car but if u cant drive it properly then u aint gonna win much with it.

half of winning with gaby pigeons is down to the flyer too, without that blend of decent flyer /decent bird...ur win but not like u would with the right mixture.

also there could  a few advertising birds as direct from out of gaby birds. that may be strangers to the truth....so when flyers buy them they do nothing wiv them...gaby pigeons get the bad press.

[Mike Lycett]

The only thing is I suppose the more popular a strain of pigeon becomes the more the price goes up and the more money there is the more some people will falsify pedigrees and lie through their teeth to sell birds off as that strain.

 

I believe M&D Evans have exposed people for lieing in the homing world and selling pigeons claimed to have been bred by them which weren't. Is that the reason they have sort of approved fanciers and recommend people to come to people like yourself Mike who have the proper bloodlines?

 

When M & D recommend people then prospective purchasers can have a bit more faith in the deal they are getting. The onus is still on the buyer to do his homework properly

 

Gez - So much to disagree with but have neither the time nor effort available to type it all up.

[Dougie]

Does anyone on here remember a fire at a loft in scotland - Norman Dixon rings a bell or was he writing for the BHW about it for some one? anyone any ideas? i sent 4 young ones up for him bout 5 yrs ago.

 

Yes you are correct and the people concerned all got the jail.

[Guest Paulo]

too good for them scum I would put them in a turkish prison like midnight express

[Guest]

no problem mike   In life everyone has different opinions, doesnt mean anyone is correct, but the world would be a sad place without opinions.

[Roland]

Switching pigeons from one route to another is no problem at all... I have birds that win / won from both routs... Thurso ... a fortnight later Begerac etc. with the same bird. I train any direction, like a lot more when sorting  lifts out ... and the birds fly better  if train one way the week of flying  the other. Mine... Like a lot more change route when there is a race I fancy having a go at.

[swilcox]

My pigeons changed route and they excelled esp the distance birds!!!!!!! And then they changed back and done well!!!!