...BELGIUM AND HOLLAND FANCIERS...

[swilcox]

True

 

But Kipp are very well known fanciers across the world, its only in england where there birds arent in huge demand.

 

People tend to follow the family names which are printed on the back of BHW and thats it!!!!!!

[Roland]

Agreed ... likewise with the Belgium etc.

And sadly there is a blind concept following of a couple of British studs etc. that doesn’t hold much water ... one swallow doesn't make a summer as they say....

Was / is a myth one so many... 1st National 4th section... where are now, come on it was either 4th section 237 and 1832 National or 1st National.

Remember well the struggle I had when - I first kept pigeons for my self 1986 (The family was involved since mid 50's) over Stamvater. Undoubtedly a breeder and a half...  But I thought he'd also won nationals races. Now Mozzarella was as honest as a day is long when making money, which when one puts the money where their mouth is and invest they richly deserve, and rightly so to make a few bob. When one fabricates for own gain certain facts then I personally haven't much time for them, whether they are / were great flyers. And many still believe the baloney so often printed of course. Shame but that is human nature I guess.

[Roland]

Andrew surely Buessart should be in any list, I would have thought. He still has achievements set in both England and Belgium that have never been matched, let alone surpassed. JMO

[gangster]

yes youre right ben they probably could not hold a candle to some of the top english flyers, but that aint gonna stop people buying , people need to look a bit deeper into results as in belgium they are flying upto 5 races on a weekend its the way they word the results what are totally misleading  there is only one 1st prize winner in a race  but then you get all the other blarney that comes with it  ps roland george busschaert  left a legacy of winners the like may never be seen again and deserves credit as a master of his sport....mick

[Guest]

I really have to say here that some of my best birds are birds brought in from England, or birds bred from English Stock.

 

Last Saturday I flew the Mid Atlantic Open in New Jersey, which is about as competitive as it comes in the States. My handler had four on the drop from 344 miles mine was one of them, which took 4th place beaten by fractions, the dam of the bird is pure England at its best, you only have to see names like the Tommy and Paddy Cocks and the RSPCA Cock to see QUALITY.

 

One of my best young birds this season is bred out of a cock I imported from England bred by a fancier in a tiny allotment loft in stacksteads Bacup his kids have done well for me for years and one won money in Chatrace's Loft.

 

Our Pallet Van Reets speak for themselves.

 

The point I'm trying to make is that there are excellent and quality birds in the United Kingdom if you know where to look for them

 

[Guest CS]

check this website out

 

http://stuart.malcolm4.users.btopenworld.com/link.htm

[Guest Paulo]

"The point I'm trying to make is that there are excellent and quality birds in the United Kingdom if you know where to look for them.''

 

Couldn't agree more in just the North of England alone there are birds as good as any to be found in Belgium, Holland, etc. The midlands lot and the southern wimps have one or two as well lol.

 

"Andrew surely Buessart should be in any list, I would have thought. He still has achievements set in both England and Belgium that have never been matched, let alone surpassed. JMO''

 

Your right there Roland he could probably still hammer most of the fanciers flying today if he was alive. For pure guts the Busschaerts are the boys. 0 - 500 miles baby thats what we are talking about and people still score high with them in the Up North Combine.