Pairing dates

[carl]

When will people be pairing up there stock birds,i will be pairing on the 10th january,no reason for this date just same date as the last few years for me.

 

 

thanks

[Guest CS]

Pair stock pairs up next month,,, don't know what  date yet,, after 10th december....

[Guest]

first week in December for us

[schouwman71]

Dec 4th i think,ive never paired early but think you need to to compete with young birds at the longer races,plus i carnt do darkness with shift work and long hours i do.

[Silverdale Lofts]

Les are your lofts in the garden i use electric lights on timers come on 9am go off 5pm

[schouwman71]

yes they are bud,ive never really gone into the darkness system so caarnt say i know much about it.Les

[Wiley]

pairing up 6th january this year about 91 days prior to first race,just a little something i read ill get the book out later and post y

[carl]

pairing up 6th january this year about 91 days prior to first race,just a little something i read ill get the book out later and post y

 

yeah wiley let us know your theory on that one mate.

[blackjack]

Last week of March thats early enough.

[Guest jason]

2nd december for me, started with lights and heating tonight (get the 2006 birds used to it) just on with treating them for canker (wormed them last week and don't bother with cocci)

 

jason

[Wiley]

this is how im hoping to do it hopefully if all goes to plan in laying ect and pairing up.This is the 91 day method i spoke about earlier.this ois if all goes to plan how and y i will be pairing up on january the 6th,and our first race is usually around easter time.

14 days from pairing to laying

18 days to hatch

22 days to parting young birds

5 days rest for the cocks

10 days to lay after re-pairing

8 days sitting

14 days seperated to the first race

[Sean]

2nd december for me, started with lights and heating tonight (get the 2006 birds used to it) just on with treating them for canker (wormed them last week and don't bother with cocci)

 

jason

 

jason so what time's you turning your light's on and heating mate and how long for?

is all your bird's through the moult?if not want this effect them? just trying to understand it more mate not having a go or anythink just trying to learn  

[ribble]

if you where to use lights on your race team would this not make them moult the flights early???

anyone know??

[REDCHEQHEN]

if you where to use lights on your race team would this not make them moult the flights early???

anyone know??

 

I would have thought so, I think this idea is reserved for non-racing stock

[Guest jason]

Ribble, if you use lights on young birds, it makes them moult and the theory is a new coat for when racing starts, hence what they call the lightness system, as opposed to darkness system, I've tried both and darkness birds beat lightness birds every time. hope this helps.

 

Sean, all my birds are now through the moult, I light the loft from 2.30pm till 5.30pm and put heating on through the night-5.30pm till 7.30am, if anybody decides to try this make sure your heaters can't catch fire (I use oil filled radiators) but in past I used the convector heaters and some straw blew into one and it caught fire :'( luckily I was at the loft at the time)

 

also remember... all early bred young birds are automaticly on darkness (dark nights) unless you light them up(which I don't reccomend) keep em dark and they hold their flights, when 'lighter' nights come in spring I put curtains on to keep em dark they only get 8 hours of light per day.

 

jason

[Guest WINGS 04]

14th feb widowhood cocks and stock birds...   i can see how breeding in december help you win races just puts your feed bill up  

[rockinrick]

mid december for me as i like to get early training in for ybs , also i will only let them sit 1 youngster on second round next year as doing away with stock birds after wards  ;D ;D

[Sean]

Ribble, if you use lights on young birds, it makes them moult and the theory is a new coat for when racing starts, hence what they call the lightness system, as opposed to darkness system, I've tried both and darkness birds beat lightness birds every time. hope this helps.

 

Sean, all my birds are now through the moult, I light the loft from 2.30pm till 5.30pm and put heating on through the night-5.30pm till 7.30am, if anybody decides to try this make sure your heaters can't catch fire (I use oil filled radiators) but in past I used the convector heaters and some straw blew into one and it caught fire :'( luckily I was at the loft at the time)

 

also remember... all early bred young birds are automaticly on darkness (dark nights) unless you light them up(which I don't reccomend) keep em dark and they hold their flights, when 'lighter' nights come in spring I put curtains on to keep em dark they only get 8 hours of light per day.

 

jason

 

Thanks for the info jason just that i was going to have ago with the light's and heating this year  but didn't know how long the light's and heating had to stay on for.

we required oil filled radiators couple of week back but still need fitting and still trying to decide on the best way forward with this ie boxing them in ect.

 

 

 

[ribble]

hi,

jason so you are only using lights and heating on your stock birds?

when you raced young on the light system did you have to pull the tail flights to get them through the moult.

[barlbylofts]

16th dec for me as my wife has taken over the birds at the mo coz of work comitments and its her birthday so she will be pairing the birds up on that day lol

[Guest jason]

Ribble, I'm using lights and heating on stock birds and on my old bird race team, never had a problem using this method but remember I only light the loft till 17.30.

 

yes I had to pull a few tail flights on one or two, I wouldn't reccomend the light system to anyone, darkness is a lot better and easier for young birds.

 

jason

[jimmy white]

14th feb widowhood cocks and stock birds...   i can see how breeding in december help you win races just puts your feed bill up  

 

agree with you wings  , saves on grub , cleaning etc, and when their 10 weeks old ready to train , whereas these december bred birds are mostly trained too late, unless specialised in that system, and still trained at 10 weeks old , but too cold here for that [bad enough trying to train obs in april]

[Beanz]

Everything week after Blackpool

[Guest Paulo]

whats the best date to pair if your just flyimng young birds. Want to fly the young birds on natural as my work does not suit the darkness. I've heard if you pair them early it stops them moulting as fast?

[Guest TAMMY_1]

 

agree with you wings  , saves on grub , cleaning etc, and when their 10 weeks old ready to train , whereas these december bred birds are mostly trained too late, unless specialised in that system, and still trained at 10 weeks old , but too cold here for that [bad enough trying to train obs in april]

 

THE COLD IS ONE OF THE FACTORS WE NEED TO CONSIDER UP HERE, WE HARDLY GET MUCH HEAT NEAR SUMMER NEVER MIND JANUARY /FEBRUARY, NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED HEATERS OF ANY KIND, JUST LEFT NATURAL THEY WILL LAY WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT AND SIT ON EGGS TILL THEY HATCH NO MATTER HOW COLD IT IS HERE