suspension

[Roland]

The whole basis of the Law and Justice in this country is Innocent until proved guilty. No Quango / or back street court / Justice. What they have done flies in the very face on everything the LAW / Justice stands for in this country.

Provided they haven't followed proceedjures.

[Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS]

WELL IF IT WAS 2006 FEES THEY WOULD HAVE HAD YOU OUT THEN RING THE RPRA

[ch pied]

get in touch  with your region sce  A.S.A.P . AND GIVE HIM/HER the full stoey, leave nothing out.

[THE FIFER]

i certainly would'nt resign, as if u do u are finished with them by ur own doing, take them to region and let them sort it, funny the region advising u to resign, be careful.

[Guest speckled]

Well rick i agree with every one else, dont resign why should ya, ya  was a fully payed up memeber ot rce in 2006 so why not be able to race 2007 ,its would be nice to find out what the club balance sheets look like lol What was a the letter ya mate signed for ya at the meeting?????  Speck :-/

[rockinrick]

Im afraid I dont think there is going be lot you can do about it rick it was unfortunate nobody turned up at the meeting for you who was there when you paid but without them you have no proof you paid and if your partner signed for the letter and forgot to give it to you they not broken any rules there either dont seem to friendlier club to be in anyway most decent secs would give you ring to ask where your subs were before going that far

 

yes rose , u r right hun  it seems they went thru the right chanels but why do it why someone take my subs  say they give me receipt then not do it so the treasurer or who ever looks at books an says oh rick hasnt paid and by union rules we have to suspend him knowing it will affect both clubs , in all the time i was a member i was only person to set baskets on race days , set show pens at weekends for private sales  i was first to be in meeting so i would set tables and chairs an make sure bag nuts set out , WHY , f--k knows why  because i am a decent person thats why but i get treated this way because i have good birds and big boys dont wanna lose their pedastools . to be honest i feel like repaying their kindness in full if you get me ,  a ferret can do wonders when they are hungry so i am told

 

[Sean]

ferret can do wonders when they are hungry so i am told

 

 

 

    

 

watch what you saying mate it only take one person to carrie out what you just stated and you get all the blame when you not guilty.

[dandydoo]

He means a ferret in their breeks Sean. sorry breeks is in your trouser leg. Apart from the conspiracy ....there is a wee bit of a theft going on here ....what happened to the money you paid .... thats not a pigeon matter but Theft

[Sean]

 

 

from reading the above is this some sort of an micky mouse club.

 

rick best thing to do is call the police in let them investigate the club account's ect who know's what their will fined. qurter of a million missing probleys ;D

 

and surley take the club to the center.

 

[Guest WINGS 04]

if it was me i would be going to see the man that i gave my money as this is if this gets about your name is blackend .

[Guest TAMMY_1]

YES BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET A BAD NAME YOU ARE STUCK WITH IT AND HARD TO SHAKE OFF

[Sean]

YES BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET A BAD NAME YOU ARE STUCK WITH IT AND HARD TO SHAKE OFF

 

;D

[Guest Paulo]

hope you are successful Rick too many clubs think they can just do what they want. Go to the union about the fools. Its no wonder pigeon racing is a dying sport

[Guest WINGS 04]

YES BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET A BAD NAME YOU ARE STUCK WITH IT AND HARD TO SHAKE OFF

 

YES THAT IS SO TRUE ONLY TAKES ONE OR TWO SWEET WIFES TO TELL ALL THE LIES AND THEN YOU HAVE A JOB GETTING YOUR GOOD NAME BACK  ;D ;D ;D

[Roland]

How can they have gone through the right channels if you didn't know till the day after and 9 months later... seems to me you just want a sorrowful pat on the back, and not really interested in sorting out your njustice. That's your privledge... just sorry I and ohers bothered to give you any suport... please just go and lie down in peace and give up, and give over.

Been me I'd been screaming from the roof tops and every one and any one that I thought could give advice, help in regards this injustice would be seeked for any and every bit of help. Still your progrative. There again, I feel that if they went through the proper proceedures, that means that you were kepted inform, afloat and had every chance to pay for dues, which you obviously didn't then, so yo deserve to be kicked out!  ... and to even be allowed to race! Golly in that case the whole club should be hauled over the coals for allowing you to fly, let alone not reporting you for being a defaulter! End of sbject as far as I am concerned.

[rockinrick]

How can they have gone through the right channels if you didn't know till the day after and 9 months later... seems to me you just want a sorrowful pat on the back, and not really interested in sorting out your njustice. That's your privledge... just sorry I and ohers bothered to give you any suport... please just go and lie down in peace and give up, and give over.

Been me I'd been screaming from the roof tops and every one and any one that I thought could give advice, help in regards this injustice would be seeked for any and every bit of help. Still your progrative. There again, I feel that if they went through the proper proceedures, that means that you were kepted inform, afloat and had every chance to pay for dues, which you obviously didn't then, so yo deserve to be kicked out!  ... and to even be allowed to race! Golly in that case the whole club should be hauled over the coals for allowing you to fly, let alone not reporting you for being a defaulter! End of sbject as far as I am concerned.

 

wat  you on i paid my subs  and thats the truth wat  gives you the right to accuse me of anything other , how dare you  , as for the help of the genuine folk on this site , ihad to think long and hard as to wat to do , and if you wish to know not that its any of your budiness i have sorted the matter in the legal way  with a police officer present at the meeting , omg i really dont know why i am replying to u , u ignorant *expletive removed*  , how dare you i bet u are the sort of person that finds it funny  , STAY OUTTA MY WAY

 

 

 

[gangster]

ROLAND WHAT YOU GETTING ON THE HIGH MORAL GROUND FOR IF ROCKINRICK SAYS THEY DID NOT INFORM HIM I BELIEVE HIM AND I THOUGHT HE DID THE RIGHT THING ASKING THE FORUM FOR ADVISE AND I DID NOT SEE ANYWHERE IN HIS POST ASKING ME OR ANYBODY ELSE TO GIVE HIM A SORROWFUL PAT ON THE BACK SO WHERE YOU COMING FROM I DONT KNOW..............

[Guest WINGS 04]

 

wat  you on i paid my subs  and thats the truth wat  gives you the right to accuse me of anything other , how dare you  , as for the help of the genuine folk on this site , ihad to think long and hard as to wat to do , and if you wish to know not that its any of your budiness i have sorted the matter in the legal way  with a police officer present at the meeting , omg i really dont know why i am replying to u , u ignorant *expletive removed*  , how dare you i bet u are the sort of person that finds it funny  , STAY OUTTA MY WAY

 

RICK ARE YOU STILL IN THE CLUB AND WHAT DID THE POLICE OFFICER SAY ON  THE MATTER

 

 

[Roland]

Not bothering to indulge any further in this matter. Well after this one.

Quite simply1. Why bother - if peeved off - why then just lay over and get whipped like a mangy dog! So if he doesn't take the case up he admits that he IS a defaulter!

2. Next, thing is, that later after he's has left he IS a defaulter, and other clubs may well have to get shot of him!

He said they had acted right and by the rules, and by the right procedure. The that in it's self means they HAD TOLD him. At least twice he owed his Dues and they were PAID. They MUST have then sent him 2 LETTERS - possibility a registered letter, or hand delivered by the sec in accompany of the President etc. etc. for them to have acted rightly and fulfilled the procedure.

Then that means that the CLUB allowed a defaulter to fly his birds KNOWING that he is a defaulter!

AND on and on and so forth. So instead of have a dig... before lambasting me, just step back and think!

If he ent guilty he would appeal. The club needs sorting. he won't be flying with any CLUB if he is a defaulter THAT is against RPRA rules.... I'd be blowed if I'd allow that to be the case if I wasn't guilty!

Mick says they acted all above board etc. ell then he must be a defaulter. Sorry but that is a simple realisation that most will come to.

And I don’t know Mick etc. and certainly have no bones about this one way or the other... except to say that I wish him well, and that it is sorted so he can fly again… RPRA will possibly suspend him till all dues paid – for by applying to their wishes, he will have admitted that he is a defaulter and was fairly treated, hence a suspension will be the order of the day. Other clubs won’t be happy accepting birds from a defaulter and land themselves in trouble … at best of times it is hard enough for any one to stand up and be counted.

So basically what I’m say is that if you allow it… then it will be contrived – rightly or wrongly – that you are a defaulter and shouldn’t be flying. That is simple… never mind who it is, the rules are there to be adhered to by one and all… and that is why there is an appeal mechanism is place … to see that any bias, or unjust ruling etc.wil not be the order of the day, or any club can treat any MEMBER willy nilly and get away with it!.

[Roland]

So as the procedure allows appeals, I'd apeal ... and personally I do believe that Mick is telling the truth, and wish he sucess and to be able to fly his birds ... So what I'm saying simply is. No need to let them get away with it, and if this  is allowed to be done to him... then that means he would be accepting that they are right and he is wrong ... then that could well have reprocussions further down the field .. So let's hope he does sort it, for he can't afford to let  it pass .. others - not me as that is irrelevant, but other clubs / members etc. will just say Well he must have been guilty or they could have done it - or - he would have appealed.

That is it in a nut shell. end of subject as far as I am concerned because I've said any and everything there is to say on the subject.

[ch pied]

don't lay down on this, or you will be screwed for year's to come.  if it was an oversite/dirty action on someone's part, BETTER FIGHT THIS ALL THE WAY, good luck

[Blue Chequer]

I have read all these posts and in my opinion there are two sides to every story.  I am not convinced either way as to who is/are the guilty party. The partner who signed for the recorded delivery letter and then failed to pass it on seems hard to believe especially when this business will have been the talk of the club and its members.  No mention as to how much the subs were? does the club subscription include RPRA fees, did rings have to be paid for at the same time.  Was the correct amount paid, did he need change.  Without ALL the facts we should not be getting on our high horses.  These officials are probably doing the job to the best of their ability.  I have been Sec/Treas of club & Fed for over 40 years and rest assured some members do try it on.  The Police won't be interested in this case.

[Roland]

I'm not even in a field with a high horse, let alone on one.

First of, I wanted Rocky to see the bigger picture, to see the effects it could well have down the line.

Quite simply Rocking said that they went by the rules... Well that means that they must have stuck to the procedure! If they did they did This means that he was contacted verbally, then asked to attend a meeting where it would be dealt with. Then possibly written too, registered letter that was signed and acknowledge, or the two (Sec & and say the President) DID hand deliver to him personally, if Rocking wasn’t there, then they would HAVE had to come back – if not, then they didn't follow the procedure and are bang out o order, full stop!

Then Rocking can't be reinstated as he was never actually is Banned. If on the other hand, IF they did stick to the procedure then Rocking must have known all along!

Personally I hope and am persuaded that he was genuinely shocked and upset, so they couldn't have stuck to procedure… Then Rocking  IS wrong to say they stuck to the lawful procedure. Can't be both ways!

So that is why I say fight them and get the disfellowship - for that is what it is - sorted, SQUASHED and get on with  his birds.

Also if the club went through the procedure, (there is a time date set in most clubs when the dues have to be paid) then the club are bang out of order, especially if they let a defaulter fly, as they now claim he was!

Also, why we are at it, I don't see any cause whatsoever for Rocking, or anyone else, having a go at me for pointing above out.

I never said or implied that Rocking was a fibber... only that if he says they were in orders then HE wasn't and visa – versa, and as such, one or the other isn't telling the truth. So yes hat wants sorting, but for those that had a go at me, you are, and that includes Rocking, you are bang out of order.

Taking it realistically, a step further, it means that the CLUB have not only stole his money, but called him an L**rer and worst still, a defaulter! And some have the gall to have a go at me, and not the club! ... mind boggles. But it is 100% certain that in this case ONE side is definitely wrong and selling pork pies. What I. or others think, or want to believe, even feel is irrelevant. But Rocking has to sort them... or he may be suspended for some time. Now where am I out of order! See once I get the keyboard in front of me and I'm off lol.

[Blue Chequer]

I wish someone from the club would come on here and give the other version of what happened.  It's a bit dangerous to suggest taking a case further when you don't know the full picture.  There is nobody worse than me if I think a wrong has been done but in this case I have reservations.

[rockinrick]

i will tell you exactly wat happened , when i applied to join the club back in jan i was told by the sec of club that i had to pay £30 pound subs  £20 for club and £ten for fed , i agreed to the amount and told same person i would bring money next meeting which was in a weeks time , i did this , also at same time i was buying a stb of of one of the members so i had the money for both in my pocket . i saw the sec of club and said to him i have the money for my membership also for the clock he then said ok m8 come out to the clocking hut , while in the hut i paid for my clock and the guy said he would give me receipt when he finished sorting birds to be basketed i then put money for subs on table and said this is for membership i was told by treasurer that he would sort it in while , at end of basketing i received a receipt for my clock but not for the subs , to this day i did not receive the receipt  also the treasurer of club resigned last nov due to health  , i have spoken to all concerned an they say noone has recolection of money on table or me buying clock so i produced the receipt for clock  , i was then told to go speak to treasurer to sort it he says i dont remember . i then receive phone call saying subs are still owing , oh i forgot to mention that since jan last year i have been diagnosed with pfl so i didnt fly with the club only put couple birds in the shows last month , as my health allowed ,  i have since been informed that my partner signed for a letter back in dec  saying if subs were not payed i would be suspended  which would mean i am unable to fly in any other club , to which i asked advice on here and  to be honest i didnt get the answer i needed so i contacted my region blokie an he said that the only way i could sort it before racing started was to pay the money again and resign from the club at which i did . so basically i paid alot of money to a club that i never flew in and only showed birds  a couple of times . so if this answers anyones questions  .